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Old 08-03-2009, 01:28 PM   #1
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Listen for yourself..Obama's Socialized medicine in his words

http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-vi...ate-insurance/

It can't get any more simple than that.

This President has EVERY right to push for HIS vision of America. However, it should be understood by AMERICANS that this man is a long time socialist thinker.

This is the SAME type of plan that even the Nazi party tried to achieve. This can be best explained here: http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/e...ame=nazi_ideas

Now, I fully understand that MANY blindless followers still use the tired old defense that ANYONE who does not support this President is a Racist. However, that has now just proven that they simply are unable to defend this man's policies or beliefs.

In reality, Obama has and continues to show how much of a racist and Socialist that he is. The threats that this healthcare bill will bring to America and it's citizens are not only scary, they are proven to FAIL!

NONE of this is hidden well either...One simple needs to READ THE BILL...Here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

I have read it and am ASTOUNDED that any of these Socialist ideas could EVER be presented in an AMERICAN House Bill.

So, go ahead...Read it yourself...If you can't understand it, I'm sure your ignorant old "you are a racist...if you don't agree 100% with Obama" comments will help this Nazi like Administration succeed.
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Old 08-03-2009, 01:45 PM   #2
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Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich): “What good is reading the bill if it's 1000 pages and you don’t have 2 days and 2 lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

I'm just grateful our new "transparent" administration gave us the August recess to pick it apart, then write our congresspersons. Fist class stamps are $.44, postcards are $.28.
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Old 08-03-2009, 01:56 PM   #3
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Amen!!

This is as big as anything America has EVER faced. This is so radical that it can wipe away YEARS of work that we as a country have strived to build.

The problem remains with the people who are unable to comprehend what these changes and policies mean.

I understand the support of Obama as a personality. Sure, he played the popularity game well. However, we are now on the verge of allowing a person with VERY socialist views to pass along free healthcare to people that already de-fraud the system.

What these "blind" supporters fail to realize is that the "rich" can NOT carry this burdon of payment. This bill will lead to GREAT taxation for the middle class in ways that we have NEVER seen before.

I don't know anyone who is suffering with their current plans. However, I really only know hard working people who have earned their right to healthcare.

If people will READ THE BILL, they will see that illegals will be GIVEN the same universal care as the people actually paying taxes ( otherwise known as AMERICAN CITIZENS!! ).
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Wait so Obama is going to make Nazis?



Put on your Fedoras and grab your Whips everyone
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:01 PM   #5
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Amen!!

This is as big as anything America has EVER faced. This is so radical that it can wipe away YEARS of work that we as a country have strived to build.

The problem remains with the people who are unable to comprehend what these changes and policies mean.

I understand the support of Obama as a personality. Sure, he played the popularity game well. However, we are now on the verge of allowing a person with VERY socialist views to pass along free healthcare to people that already de-fraud the system.

What these "blind" supporters fail to realize is that the "rich" can NOT carry this burdon of payment. This bill will lead to GREAT taxation for the middle class in ways that we have NEVER seen before.

I don't know anyone who is suffering with their current plans. However, I really only know hard working people who have earned their right to healthcare.

If people will READ THE BILL, they will see that illegals will be GIVEN the same universal care as the people actually paying taxes ( otherwise known as AMERICAN CITIZENS!! ).

Exactly. Obama is a socialist and this bill has proven it. The blind followers will say "so what if he's socialist"? And "maybe it'll work". Well, this just shows their ignorance. They have NO knowledge of American history and what America is about. They want "progress" and if completely changing America achieves that, then good. However, Obama's approval rating will continue to drop because most normal Americans are starting to realize what the man is about and how his principles aren't those of America's.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:13 PM   #6
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Exactly. Obama is a socialist and this bill has proven it. The blind followers will say "so what if he's socialist"? And "maybe it'll work". Well, this just shows their ignorance. They have NO knowledge of American history and what America is about. They want "progress" and if completely changing America achieves that, then good. However, Obama's approval rating will continue to drop because most normal Americans are starting to realize what the man is about and how his principles aren't those of America's.

It has officially stopped being about Democrats v.s. Republicans..The Progressive thinking that you address seem not to be able to weigh the damage that these "changes" will bring. The damage that bills such as this cause are as altering to this country as if a new Constitution were written. The Government will be asked to take on roles that it was NOT created to be responsible for.

These Progressive people want the Government to have every answer...our founders made sure that the Government didn't have every answer for just this reason.

Gerald Ford said it best when he said "Any Government that is large enough to give you everything, is large enough to take everything away". Now more than EVER, this rings true.

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Put on your Fedoras and grab your Whips everyone

Nur, you are a little too young to see it probably. However, this planned healthcare system is the exact type of system that Hitler and his party planned for their people.

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Old 08-03-2009, 02:24 PM   #7
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It has officially stopped being about Democrats v.s. Republicans..The Progressive thinking that you address seem not to be able to weigh the damage that these "changes" will bring. The damage that bills such as this cause are as altering to this country as if a new Constitution were written. The Government will be asked to take on roles that it was NOT created to be responsible for.

These Progressive people want the Government to have every answer...our founders made sure that the Government didn't have every answer for just this reason.

Gerald Ford said it best when he said "Any Government that is large enough to give you everything, is large enough to take everything away". Now more than EVER, this rings true.

Oh definitely. The Founding Fathers FEARED that kind of government. But these people want the government to control them. They want to continue to give the government more and more power. Progressives want distribution of wealth and to take away from the rich, and give it to give to the poor. And, like you said, eventually they will be taking from the middle class more and more. But ultimately they will fail because the hard working people of America won't stand for it for long.

"A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity." - Thomas Jefferson
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:33 PM   #8
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This is the first time in my 34 years that I truly fear my Government in ways that I can only imagine the Founding Fathers felt at times. I know it is not as absolute as their struggles yet. However, it CAN be...IF the people allow this to continue.

Of course, a seperate discussion should be had regarding Obama's Czars..these people are allowed to by-pass the system of checks and balances without even a second thought. How is this being allowed to continue?

Obama truly had the perfect ONCE IN A LIFETIME chance to prove that a black American was able to hold the Office of the President and be a value to the people. However, the wrong black man has been GIVEN the office and this man is weighed down by a socialst heart and a progressive mind. Far too many people were caught up in the celebrity of the Man and not the burdon of the OFFICE.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:35 PM   #9
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Nur, you are a little too young to see it probably. However, this planned healthcare system is the exact type of system that Hitler and his party planned for their people.


Nah man I understand it completly I just felt like making a stupid random comment
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:41 PM   #10
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This is the first time in my 34 years that I truly fear my Government in ways that I can only imagine the Founding Fathers felt at times. I know it is not as absolute as their struggles yet. However, it CAN be...IF the people allow this to continue.

Of course, a seperate discussion should be had regarding Obama's Czars..these people are allowed to by-pass the system of checks and balances without even a second thought. How is this being allowed to continue?

Obama truly had the perfect ONCE IN A LIFETIME chance to prove that a black American was able to hold the Office of the President and be a value to the people. However, the wrong black man has been GIVEN the office and this man is weighed down by a socialst heart and a progressive mind. Far too many people were caught up in the celebrity of the Man and not the burdon of the OFFICE.

I agree. If people continue to blindly follow him, the government will have more power it has ever had. And that is a scary thought.

Exactly. There is no one to stop Obama. He has Congress.

It really is a tragedy. Obama should have never been handed the office. He will go down as one of the worst presidents because of his socialist thinking and Blame America First principle. Like you said, people were too caught up in the rhetoric of his speeches to realize there was no real substance behind them.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:42 PM   #11
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Nah man I understand it completly I just felt like making a stupid random comment

No it's good that you understand because your generation will be strongly touched by what happens.

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I agree. If people continue to blindly follow him, the government will have more power it has ever had. And that is a scary thought.

Exactly. There is no one to stop Obama. He has Congress.

It really is a tragedy. Obama should have never been handed the office. He will go down as one of the worst presidents because of his socialist thinking and Blame America First principle. Like you said, people were too caught up in the rhetoric of his speeches to realize there was no real substance behind them.

One thing that you can do now is pick certain speeches of his and see that they match the desires of what the crowd at the time wanted to hear.

Mcain was not as flashy but his message stayed the same. Obama played each crowd like a fiddle. It's scary if you watch it.

However, what makes me the maddest is the blanket argument that if you do not agree with Obama, you are a racist....what a foolish concept. Hitler said many of the same things and we hated him too.

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Old 08-03-2009, 02:51 PM   #12
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One thing that you can do now is pick certain speeches of his and see that they match the desires of what the crowd at the time wanted to hear.

Mcain was not as flashy but his message stayed the same. Obama played each crowd like a fiddle. It's scary if you watch it.

However, what makes me the maddest is the blanket argument that if you do not agree with Obama, you are a racist....what a foolish concept. Hitler said many of the same things and we hated him too.

Ya, that's what Obama did. He played everyone. He talked himself into office.

Anyone who uses the race argument is an idiot and should just be ignored.
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Old 08-03-2009, 05:12 PM   #13
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Your invective against Obama is astounding in that you manage to equate him with socialists and fascists in the same breath; that's amazing. What's doubling astounding is that your link to The American Prospect ends up at a blog entry that's a paragraph in length, with links to a Wikipedia article and a defunct blog.

More reading material.

And so it begins -- the August Attack on Health Care Reform

E-mail 'Analysis' of Health Bill Needs a Check-up

The Guns of August


Consider: The august publication that is The Economist came out in favour of state sponsored health care. Why? It's good for the economy. Per them, 'our greatest strength is our entrepreneurship'; a lot of that has been killed over the years due to exorbitant health care costs. Where somebody might have been willing to try their hand at a business in the past, they are more inclined plod away where one of their major expenses is, in theory, covered.

One further point to consider, because these United States of America does it a certain way, doesn't mean that way is correct. Especially if the rest of the world does it differently.

For all your rants and raves, the Fox News Forum is this way.
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Old 08-03-2009, 06:21 PM   #14
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Your invective against Obama is astounding in that you manage to equate him with socialists and fascists in the same breath; that's amazing. What's doubling astounding is that your link to The American Prospect ends up at a blog entry that's a paragraph in length, with links to a Wikipedia article and a defunct blog.

More reading material.

And so it begins -- the August Attack on Health Care Reform

E-mail 'Analysis' of Health Bill Needs a Check-up

The Guns of August


Consider: The august publication that is The Economist came out in favour of state sponsored health care. Why? It's good for the economy. Per them, 'our greatest strength is our entrepreneurship'; a lot of that has been killed over the years due to exorbitant health care costs. Where somebody might have been willing to try their hand at a business in the past, they are more inclined plod away where one of their major expenses is, in theory, covered.

One further point to consider, because these United States of America does it a certain way, doesn't mean that way is correct. Especially if the rest of the world does it differently.

For all your rants and raves, the Fox News Forum is this way.


Wow...Where to start?

I only said Obama was a socialist. I never said he was a fascist. But according to you it's amazing that socialist and fascist is mentioned in the same breath? Because last time I checked Hitler and the Nazis were both. Do some research.

Now, did you just provide a link to the Huffington Post??? The most hateful and biased website on the web? Really?

How in the hell does Obamacare help the economy? Give a REAL explanation.

Obviously you know nothing of your country and couldn't care about it either. You said if the world does it differently???? So what? Do some research on America and find out the principles it was founded upon. We don't care if the world does it differently, America is not a socialist nation and the founding fathers feared big government.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:07 AM   #15
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Really, Le Saboteur...you direct me to Fox news when you in turn quote HUGE liberal / Progressive sites..Come on..WAKE UP!!

Socialized healthcare is NOT AMERICAN for a huge reason...AMERICA is not a socialist country. NOR CAN WE BE!

The Socialized medicine route will be good economy for illegals and the people that already suck off the free healthcare that's provided. However, for the Rich and middle class who will have to PAY FOR THIS WITH TAXATION, this is NOT a good program.

Obviously, your common sense has left you as it has others of your typical format.

The whole POINT OF AMERICA is having FREEDOMS and WAYS that the rest of the world is not privvy to. Do you honestly know ANYTHING about socialized medicine in other countries? If you did, you would be SCARED TO DEATH!!!

Way to show your ignorance!!
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Obama is a communist because he wants a universal health care plan? In that case every European nation now (really every developed nation, because all except the US have universal health care) is a communist power. We thought Reagan saved us from the communist threat; how naive we were, we're surrounded!


However, I don't think socialized heath care will make this country a better place. If care in industrialized nations that have socialized National Health Care is so great, why do they come to the United States when they need real care? Take for example the prime minister of Italy, he could have had free heart surgery at home, but he came here to have it. http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/s...oni_has_heart/


The real problem Obama faces is that he has no idea how we will pay for his plan. During the campaign he promised not to raise taxes on the middle class, yet earlier this week two of his top economic advisers refused to rule out a middle class tax hike as a possible way to pay for the health care overhaul bill. Obama's proposed alternatives (limiting charitible contributions of the wealthiest Americans, and using a surtax on those making over $350,000 a year) simply don't have congressional support.
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Old 08-04-2009, 05:48 PM   #17
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Interesting discussion. I will not go into whether who I think is right or not, because I think you will probably eat me alive, but Kevin's comment about surtaxes made me wonder how the US tax system actually works.. Here in the Netherlands we work with so-called tax scales. The amount of money you make puts you in a particular scale and you pay a higher percentage of taxes the further up in the scales you go. Seems to work pretty well here so far.
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Obama is a communist because he wants a universal health care plan? In that case every European nation now (really every developed nation, because all except the US have universal health care) is a communist power. We thought Reagan saved us from the communist threat; how naive we were, we're surrounded!


However, I don't think socialized heath care will make this country a better place. If care in industrialized nations that have socialized National Health Care is so great, why do they come to the United States when they need real care? Take for example the prime minister of Italy, he could have had free heart surgery at home, but he came here to have it. http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/s...oni_has_heart/


The real problem Obama faces is that he has no idea how we will pay for his plan. During the campaign he promised not to raise taxes on the middle class, yet earlier this week two of his top economic advisers refused to rule out a middle class tax hike as a possible way to pay for the health care overhaul bill. Obama's proposed alternatives (limiting charitible contributions of the wealthiest Americans, and using a surtax on those making over $350,000 a year) simply don't have congressional support.

Who said he was a communist? I said he was a socialist. And every European nation IS socialist.

Exactly. Everyone comes here for health care. We have the best health care in the world and Obama is going (trying) to change that.

Obama doesn't know how he is going to do anything, he just wants to do it.
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Who said he was a communist? I said he was a socialist. And every European nation IS socialist.

Exactly. Everyone comes here for health care. We have the best health care in the world and Obama is going (trying) to change that.

Obama doesn't know how he is going to do anything, he just wants to do it.

LOL! EXACTLY, NOBODY was ignorant enough to say he wasa Communist...However, His GREAT DESIRE to follow the Euro nations in Socialized medicine shows how FOOLISH he is. The reason that AMERICA has the absolute BEST healthcare in the world is because the system we have now allows for it. If you destroy that, you will destroy the care that is given. PERIOD!

Not only does Obama want to have SOCIALIZED medicie, he wants to LEGALLY GIVE IT TO ILLEGALS for FREE!! READ THE D@MN BILL!! It's right there in BLACK AND WHITE!!!

If you took every dollar that EVERY person making $250,000.00+ a year makes it would come NOWHERE CLOSE to paying for this plan. So, do you know why they are talking about the middle class tax hikes now? THAT'S how he plans to pay for it!

So, the STUPID Obama supporters fail to see that he wants to bring America DOWN to make everyone equal....REAL American Presidents want to bring EVERYONE UP to a higher standard of living.

Welcome to Socializim...YOU VOTED FOR IT!!
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I'm seriously only playing devil’s advocate with the statement that I'm about to make, although it is a good point.

Part of our culture is to be a melting pot for the best ideas around the globe, from which we fashion a good policy and way of life. Just because an idea is rooted in a Socialist background does not make the entire idea an anti-capitalist one.

I could definitely go on, but like I said I just thought I’d raise the point. Also, note that I am not neccessarily in full support of this health care plan either. There is no way that we should be paying for the healthcare of illegal immigrants.
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Going back to Franklin Roosevelt, the president at the time of the
first three Indiana Jones films, he was called all kinds of things, like
socialist, communist, Jewish ("Rosenfeld"), born in Canada, etc.

"Mr. President, there is a man name Jones here to see you"
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For the first video in my viewpoint CLEVER EDITING!
I believe Obama is better than the dictator ship Bush and DICK tried to pull of our system Dick tried to crossover branches over our system to make him control multiple branches while bush had the other and hell dick shot a guy.
That and would most likely would have reoccur with McCain and Palin the takeover and the shooting!

BTW OBAMA is not a Nazi if anything he is mor of a communist and the communist system could have worked with a few adjustments of their system are made!


Personally Isocracy is the way to go!

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Part of our culture is to be a melting pot for the best ideas around the globe, from which we fashion a good policy and way of life. Just because an idea is rooted in a Socialist background does not make the entire idea an anti-capitalist one.

The founding fathers were strongly against socialism.


INSOMNIAC, what are you talking about??? You're just rambling. Communism could have worked??? HAHAHAHAHA! You have no idea what you are talking about.
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The founding fathers were strongly against socialism.


INSOMNIAC, what are you talking about??? You're just rambling. Communism could have worked??? HAHAHAHAHA! You have no idea what you are talking about.
Just expressing my opinion on the current state of what could have been!
I'm not taking any off it back to side with your unchangeable cookie cutter view point!
OR anyone else!!!
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And what's wrong with Socialism? FDR, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Condoleezza Rice and many more also have or held some Socialistic views to some extent.

Besides if Socialism works well then mosey on along and stop complaining.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=111420898
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