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Old 04-10-2011, 04:16 PM   #51
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Well, I put out the call to the 67 Deutschländers that belong to this page. To any shy German lurkers here at The Raven, now would be a good time to chip in for a first post.....
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Old 04-10-2011, 04:34 PM   #52
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Currently there is a german Ebay listing for a red VHS version of "Temple of Doom". I´m going to sacrifice myself and going to bid on it Let´s hope I will get it; auction lasts 8 days yet. As soon as I will get it, I am going to tell you the truth.
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Old 04-10-2011, 04:48 PM   #53
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And I've noticed, that you can not see the equipment what is shown at the drawing (like bicycle wheels, brooms and skythes). So I don't believe it was filmed.
It was filmed. The equipment isn't there because the final idea was changed into a simple drop straight down into Indy's hand.

@Flannery10: Nice to hear from you!

@JayDee: I hope you win the auction. However, even if the egg part is not on that VHS, it won't mean that the scene never existed.
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Old 04-10-2011, 04:56 PM   #54
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@JayDee: I hope you win the auction. However, even if the egg part is not on that VHS, it won't mean that the scene never existed.
I never doubted that, what I meant was I´m going to proof if this is the VHS that contains the missing scene
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I have to say, it would be pretty amazing if this deleted scene has been floating around for all these years and has somehow eluded us.
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Scenes that never were!

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Old 04-11-2011, 03:01 AM   #57
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Well, I'm a lot of things sir, but certainly not delusional, thank you very much. Granted, it's been a long time since I have seen the movie on said VHS and sadly I don't even own it anymore, because let's be honest, who still owns VHS tapes these days? But unless my memory is pulling a really bad joke on me, I'm 100% sure to have seen the scene before.

Somebody mentioned earlier that they had a German version of the VHS and that it wasn't on there. Was the box of the VHS yellow or red? Because mine was red, and I know those are even older than the yellow ones. I'm just looking for some reassurance here that I'm not imaginging this, as Mr. Sharkey pointed out so politely.

This is the only red Version I know...(but I don't have it)

and it's newer than this one, which I thought is the first release version:

I own this one and the egg scene is not implemented. The scene is also not implemented in the "Hollywood Collection" version which I own also...


and also not in this one:


Flannery10: Is the shown red version above the one you know or do you have a picture of the cover of the VHS cassette you mean? I couldn't find another red cover version in the internet.
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But unless my memory is pulling a really bad joke on me, I'm 100% sure to have seen the scene before.
Since I'm the one who notified Flannery10 of the recent disbelief towards his claim, one thing must be added: I don't think he saw a theatrical release of "Doom" in 1984* so how else could he have witnessed the egg scene other than via VHS?

*Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Was the box of the VHS yellow or red? Because mine was red, and I know those are even older than the yellow ones.
While I'm no expert on German VHS releases, if it's anything like the image that Hanselation posted, those red & yellow editions were part of the "Complete Adventures" set and released simultaneously in 1999. (Flannery10, are you referring to something earlier? Because, in 2007, you said that the VHS was "like 15 years old" which would mean c.1992.)
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I never doubted that, what I meant was I´m going to proof if this is the VHS that contains the missing scene.
I hear you, JayDee. My comment was aimed at the doubters & non-believers. (I just hope that you didn't bid on the wrong VHS edition!)
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Scenes that never were!
As I've mentioned previously, the egg scene did NOT happen that way! (That is a preliminary production sketch...things changed.)
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As I've mentioned previously, the egg scene did NOT happen that way! (That is a preliminary production sketch...things changed.)

I know, I wasn't making any comment on the scene, it was just additional reference. For the record has anyone established that this was filmed, in any form?
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I know, I wasn't making any comment on the scene, it was just additional reference.
Yes, I realize that, Junior. I'm just trying to make a point for those who don't believe it (people like Sharkey).
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For the record has anyone established that this was filmed, in any form?
Along with the testimony of several witnesses...

2 Americans (at the theatre) Pasedena Jones & chapter 11
2 Canadians (at the theatre) LawgSkrak & myself
1 German: (on VHS) Flannery10

...there is also written & photographical evidence that can be used as a reinforcement. (Will post this tomorrow...)
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Old 04-11-2011, 06:36 PM   #61
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The response I got over at the FB page from an american (first run) theater experience was this:

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if memory serves, it goes like this: Willy is watching Indy sleep, shortly after the "What are you, a lion tamer?" line and right before she herself falls asleep. Indy has pulled his hat over his head and is laying there. The egg falls, he reaches out lightning fast and grabs it. Willy shakes her head and tries to fall asleep. At least, that's how I remember it. Granted I was 10 at the time! But I've always wondered why it was cut. I distinctly remember it garnering a laugh from the theater.

I don't know if that was either Pasedena Jones or chapter 11....
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Pure unadulterated FANTASY.

The likelihood of this being real is less than Nurhachi being black. Which Nurhachi? Take your pick.

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Old 04-12-2011, 08:35 AM   #63
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Pure unadulterated FANTASY.

The likelihood of this being real is less than Nurhachi being black. Which Nurhachi? Take your pick.


Sounds like the same guys over at Lucasfilm who ever claimed that a "Luke constructs his lightsaber" scene for Return of the Jedi was never filmed... Even the actor himself claimed that some time ago. See what we do know more now... In this franchise, there are ALWAYS surprises. That is what keeps the franchises interesting (to me).

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I hear you, JayDee. My comment was aimed at the doubters & non-believers. (I just hope that you didn't bid on the wrong VHS edition!)

Seems like I have bid on the wrong edition -.- It is the Hollywood Edition one.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:46 AM   #64
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Pure unadulterated FANTASY.

The likelihood of this being real is less than Nurhachi being black. Which Nurhachi? Take your pick.

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4 per-cent, dude.

If Stewie says it happened, it very probably happened. We'll just have to wait while he goes down to the sub-level 4 of his movie archive bunker.
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I contacted a cutting service from a local german tv station which aired a show in 1984. It had the Shorty actor as a guest star, and I read on another Indy board that he has seen this clip we all speak about in this show as a promotion for ToD. They will call me in the next few days if they are able to send me the show on CD.

Last chance I see for me...
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Lots of talk. Nothing more.

Bring it.

On a lighter note, I would be happy to see it. But this is all too much like "recovered memories" and blatherings about the US flag being burned off the ark crate.

Wishful thinking.


On a darker note, I
t's tough to take someone seriously about something so unique/rare and mysterious when they write "Shorty actor" and can't remember a name like "Key."

Hopefully this promo (or whatever it is) isn't as definitive as saying Indy once whip saved a diet coke can...
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:44 AM   #67
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t's tough to take someone seriously about something so unique/rare and mysterious when they write "Shorty actor" and can't remember a name like "Key."

It is still my decision which words I pick when I speak about something or someone, so keep it for yourself and go to bed...
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Trying to find a good metaphor for my interest in this thread:
"Waiting for the other egg to drop"
"Waiting to see if this theory lays an egg"
"Glad to see that JayDee has hatched a plan"
(to the tune of Jingle Bells)
"Jingle bells, Sharkey smells,
Indy caught an egg,
Did someone steal
This forgotten reel,
And will it get away, HEY!"


(just playin' Sharkey)
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It is still my decision which words I pick when I speak about something or someone, so keep it for yourself and go to bed...

Jawohl.

Maybe you should wake up.

Sharkey smells?
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Old 04-12-2011, 11:24 AM   #70
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Well, I'm a lot of things sir, but certainly not delusional, thank you very much. Granted, it's been a long time since I have seen the movie on said VHS and sadly I don't even own it anymore, because let's be honest, who still owns VHS tapes these days? But unless my memory is pulling a really bad joke on me, I'm 100% sure to have seen the scene before.

You're right, Flannery10. I saw it too. The scene was filmed and it played in at least *some* U.S. theaters, such as the Salisbury, Massachusetts, Cinema Six where I saw it with my very own eyes in 1984. I didn't imagine it, either.
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It's tough to take someone seriously about something so unique/rare and mysterious when they write "Shorty actor" and can't remember a name like "Key."
Looks like you can't remember that there's no "y" in the name, "Ke".

Normally I agree with you, Sharkey, but now you're being an egghead. What makes you so positive that the scene was never shown? Maybe you're jealous because you weren't forunate enough to see it? (If you ever do get to see it, the yolk will be on you!)

@JayDee: Shame about you bidding on the wrong VHS. Verdammte Scheiße! If you don't manage to get a copy of the CD/DVD of the German TV special, then I'm DEFINITELY going to make a call-out on the IndyCast!

@Indy's brother: I read your Facebook page call-out. To paraphrase Arnold Schwarzenegger: "It's not a rumour!"

@Chapter11: Thanks for chiming in again. Are you Josh who wrote on Indy's brother Facebook page? (I ask because I'm trying to get a head count of witnesses).
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If Stewie says it happened, it very probably happened.
Thanks, Smiffy. I found another Canadian who also remembers it.
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What happened to the 'falling egg' scene? - Matt Hamilton
"I watched this last night (admittedly the R1 Canadian version). I distinctly remember (from wa-a-ay back in the 80s when I last saw this movie) a scene on the plane at the start where Indy catches a falling egg, while he's asleep.

What happened to that scene? Is it still in the R4 version? Or has it been cut from the print altogether?"

Falling Egg - Craig Erdmann
"My family thinks I am insane. I was anxiously watching my copy of Temple of Doom I received for Christmas and I told them I wanted to see if the falling egg scene was put back in (It was absent from the VHS copy I owned). When it wasn't in the DVD, they told me that they never saw it. I told them that I remembered it, but wasn't sure if I was superimposing it on Indy from some other movie I saw.

I have been searching the web and this comment section is the only place where I have seen anyone else mention it. At least I know that I am not crazy!!

I would love to know what happened to it."
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@Chapter11: Thanks for chiming in again. Are you Josh who wrote on Indy's brother Facebook page? (I ask because I'm trying to get a head count of witnesses).

Yes, that's me. And no, it's not a "fantasy" as Sharkey put it. It's real. It exists on film somewhere, or at least it did in 1984!
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Looks like you can't remember that there's no "y" in the name, "Ke".

Normally I agree with you, Sharkey, but now you're being an egghead. What makes you so positive that the scene was never shown? Maybe you're jealous because you weren't forunate enough to see it? (If you ever do get to see it, the yolk will be on you!)
You’re all CRACKED!

Spelliing errors…the last resort of the dying man! It’s “fortunate,” and if anyone could produce a bit of proof that would be one thing. Maybe the egg scene was abducted by ancient aliens?

You all sound pathetic!

Because of the reconstructive nature of memory, some memories may be distorted through influences such as the incorporation of new information. There are also believed-in imaginings that are not based in historical reality; these have been called false memories, pseudo-memories and memory illusions. They can result from the influence of external factors, such as the opinion of an authority figure or information repeated in the culture. An individual with an internal desire to please, to get better or to conform can easily be affected by such influences.

False Memories Easily Created, Researchers Discover
About one-third of the people who were exposed to a fake print ad describing a visit to Disneyland and how they met and shook hands with Bugs Bunny said later they remembered or knew the event happened to them.
The scenario described in the ad never occurred because Bugs Bunny is a Warner Bros. cartoon character and wouldn't be featured in any Walt Disney Co. property, according to University of Washington memory researchers Jacquie Pickrell and Elizabeth Loftus.
Pickrell will make two presentations on the topic at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Society (APS) on Sunday (June 17) in Toronto and at a satellite session of the Society for Applied Research in Memory and Cognition in Kingston, Ontario, on Wednesday.
"The frightening thing about this study is that it suggests how easily a false memory can be created," said Pickrell, UW psychology doctoral student.

"It's not only people who go to a therapist who might implant a false memory or those who witness an accident and whose memory can be distorted who can have a false memory. Memory is very vulnerable and malleable. People are not always aware of the choices they make. This study shows the power of subtle association changes on memory."
The research is a follow-up to an unpublished study by Loftus, a UW psychology professor who is being honored by the APS this week with its William James Fellow Award for psychological research; Kathryn Braun, a visiting scholar at the Harvard Business School; and Rhiannon Ellis, a former UW undergraduate who is now a doctoral student at the University of Pittsburgh.
In the original study, 16 percent of the people exposed to a Disneyland ad featuring Bugs Bunny later thought they had really seen and met the cartoon rabbit.
In the new research, Pickrell and Loftus divided 120 subjects into four groups. The subjects were told they were going to evaluate advertising copy, fill out several questionnaires and answer questions about a trip to Disneyland.
* The first group read a generic Disneyland ad that mentioned no cartoon characters.
* The second group read the same copy and was exposed to a 4-foot-tall cardboard figure of Bugs Bunny that was casually placed in the interview room. No mention was made of Bugs Bunny.
* The third, or Bugs group, read the fake Disneyland ad featuring Bugs Bunny.
* The fourth, or double exposure group, read the fake ad and also saw the cardboard rabbit.
This time, 30 percent of the people in the Bugs group later said they remembered or knew they had met Bugs Bunny when they visited Disneyland and 40 percent of the people in the double exposure group reported the same thing.
"'Remember' means the people actually recall meeting and shaking hands with Bugs," explained Pickrell. "'Knowing' is they have no real memory, but are sure that it happened, just as they have no memory of having their umbilical cord being cut when they were born but know it happened.
"Creating a false memory is a process. Someone saying, 'I know it could have happened,' is taking the first step of actually creating a memory. If you clearly believe you walked up to Bugs Bunny, you have a memory."
In addition, Pickrell said there is the issue of the consequence of false memories, or the ripple effects. People in the experiment who were exposed to the false advertising were more likely to relate Bugs Bunny to other things at Disneyland not suggested in the ad, such as seeing Bugs and Mickey Mouse together or seeing Bugs in the Main Street Electrical Parade.
"We are interested in how people create their autobiographical references, or memory. Through this process they might be altering their own memories," Pickrell said. "Nostalgic advertising works in a similar manner.
"Hallmark, McDonald's and Disney have very effective nostalgic advertising that can change people's buying habits. You may not have had a great experience the last time you visited Disneyland or McDonald's, but the ads may inadvertently be creating the impression that they had a wonderful time and leaving viewers with that memory. If ads can get people to believe they had an experience they never had, that is pretty powerful.
"The bottom line of our study is that the phony ad is making the difference. Just casually reading a Bugs Bunny cartoon or some other incidental exposure doesn't mean you believe you met Bugs.
"The ad does."
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You’re all CRACKED!

Spelliing errors…the last resort of the dying man! It’s “fortunate,” and if anyone could produce a bit of proof that would be one thing. Maybe the egg scene was abducted by ancient aliens?

You all sound pathetic!

Because of the reconstructive nature of memory, some memories may be distorted through influences such as the incorporation of new information. There are also believed-in imaginings that are not based in historical reality; these have been called false memories, pseudo-memories and memory illusions. They can result from the influence of external factors, such as the opinion of an authority figure or information repeated in the culture. An individual with an internal desire to please, to get better or to conform can easily be affected by such influences.

False Memories Easily Created, Researchers Discover
About one-third of the people who were exposed to a fake print ad describing a visit to Disneyland and how they met and shook hands with Bugs Bunny said later they remembered or knew the event happened to them.
The scenario described in the ad never occurred because Bugs Bunny is a Warner Bros. cartoon character and wouldn't be featured in any Walt Disney Co. property, according to University of Washington memory researchers Jacquie Pickrell and Elizabeth Loftus.
Pickrell will make two presentations on the topic at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Society (APS) on Sunday (June 17) in Toronto and at a satellite session of the Society for Applied Research in Memory and Cognition in Kingston, Ontario, on Wednesday.
"The frightening thing about this study is that it suggests how easily a false memory can be created," said Pickrell, UW psychology doctoral student.

"It's not only people who go to a therapist who might implant a false memory or those who witness an accident and whose memory can be distorted who can have a false memory. Memory is very vulnerable and malleable. People are not always aware of the choices they make. This study shows the power of subtle association changes on memory."
The research is a follow-up to an unpublished study by Loftus, a UW psychology professor who is being honored by the APS this week with its William James Fellow Award for psychological research; Kathryn Braun, a visiting scholar at the Harvard Business School; and Rhiannon Ellis, a former UW undergraduate who is now a doctoral student at the University of Pittsburgh.
In the original study, 16 percent of the people exposed to a Disneyland ad featuring Bugs Bunny later thought they had really seen and met the cartoon rabbit.
In the new research, Pickrell and Loftus divided 120 subjects into four groups. The subjects were told they were going to evaluate advertising copy, fill out several questionnaires and answer questions about a trip to Disneyland.
* The first group read a generic Disneyland ad that mentioned no cartoon characters.
* The second group read the same copy and was exposed to a 4-foot-tall cardboard figure of Bugs Bunny that was casually placed in the interview room. No mention was made of Bugs Bunny.
* The third, or Bugs group, read the fake Disneyland ad featuring Bugs Bunny.
* The fourth, or double exposure group, read the fake ad and also saw the cardboard rabbit.
This time, 30 percent of the people in the Bugs group later said they remembered or knew they had met Bugs Bunny when they visited Disneyland and 40 percent of the people in the double exposure group reported the same thing.
"'Remember' means the people actually recall meeting and shaking hands with Bugs," explained Pickrell. "'Knowing' is they have no real memory, but are sure that it happened, just as they have no memory of having their umbilical cord being cut when they were born but know it happened.
"Creating a false memory is a process. Someone saying, 'I know it could have happened,' is taking the first step of actually creating a memory. If you clearly believe you walked up to Bugs Bunny, you have a memory."
In addition, Pickrell said there is the issue of the consequence of false memories, or the ripple effects. People in the experiment who were exposed to the false advertising were more likely to relate Bugs Bunny to other things at Disneyland not suggested in the ad, such as seeing Bugs and Mickey Mouse together or seeing Bugs in the Main Street Electrical Parade.
"We are interested in how people create their autobiographical references, or memory. Through this process they might be altering their own memories," Pickrell said. "Nostalgic advertising works in a similar manner.
"Hallmark, McDonald's and Disney have very effective nostalgic advertising that can change people's buying habits. You may not have had a great experience the last time you visited Disneyland or McDonald's, but the ads may inadvertently be creating the impression that they had a wonderful time and leaving viewers with that memory. If ads can get people to believe they had an experience they never had, that is pretty powerful.
"The bottom line of our study is that the phony ad is making the difference. Just casually reading a Bugs Bunny cartoon or some other incidental exposure doesn't mean you believe you met Bugs.
"The ad does."

Next you'll be telling us that Jimmy Stewart imagined Harvey!

(Though I did imagine seeing the cut scene of Jabba-as-a-man the first time I saw Star Wars on TV...)

We await the presentation of the evidence from whoever it is who has 'knowledge of the egg reality'.
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We await the presentation of the evidence from whoever it is who has 'knowledge of the egg reality'.

The World Turned Upside Down.

Am I crazy or does Sharkey sound reasonable?
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