michael
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Wilhelm said:I also like that the empty church is similar to an empty cinema theater with the audience going outside.
Yeah, great point. Very symbolic.
Man I miss that that warm night I saw this movie...
Wilhelm said:I also like that the empty church is similar to an empty cinema theater with the audience going outside.
michael said:I don't see how there could be a fifth with that ending. Regardless of everything leading up to it, it completed the saga perfectly. I think that's all we can ask for.
In my opinion it's the still the best ending out of the four. Yeah I went there. Mostly because when I saw it, I knew that was it. I'm not going to see another new one ever again. Oh he's got more adventures ahead of him that's for sure, but not for us to see.
It seems most of the reason why we want a fifth one (well besides the fact that it's MORE Indy) is to replace the 2nd half of the movie, because it drops like a rock when they get to Marion---no offense, doll. That is NOT why you should make an Indy five. You make it because it WORKS. Crystal Skull still WORKS, no matter how subpar it is to the rest.
You make a fifth, in this series, after that ending, it better be f***ing PERFECT and it better have an ending to all endings.
Montana Smith said:I still see the ending as intentionally open-ended.
When it was filmed Lucas and Spielberg wouldn't know how well KOTCS would be received. Neither would they be 100% sure that all the main players could return for a possible #5.
So, the 'hat ending' can represent:
1. A perfect ending. Indy remains defiant, never relinquishing the fedora.
2. A perfect setup for #5. Indy's defiance confirms that he's ready to take on another adventure.
3. Mutt's claim to the fedora. He wants to step into his father's Aldens and wear the hat. He signalling his future intent. This would be the defining moment for the creation of a Mutt spin-off series.
All three options are made possible in that fedora exchanging scene.
kongisking said:Correct. The scene can be interpreted as either a perfect wrap-up (seriously, they could have had a title card say "And they all lived happily ever after" and it would have worked), or a new beginning (Indy now has an entire family to accompany him on his journeys). I happen to like the family dynamic of KOTCS, so I support bringing the whole family along next time.
But that being said, Indy SHOULD still be the primary focus in action scenes (the duel with Spalko was great and all, but that chase really should have been a showcase for Indy, not Mutt. Or at the very least, it should have been edited so that we cut back and forth between Mutt fighting Spalko and Indy slugging Russians, and we could see them mirror each others moves, in a nice tribute to the moment in TOD where Shorty is beating up Zalim Singh while Indy punches the crap out of the Thuggee Guard).
kongisking said:I happen to like the family dynamic of KOTCS, so I support bringing the whole family along next time..
The final scene was very nice, big smile from my seat. While Mutt will surely be along it's not necessary. There are creative and talented writers out there, despite what Skull finally is. Marion and Mutt had lives BEFORE the events of Crystal Skull and it's unlikely that they'll all move into one house and have that half hour sitcom relationship loaded with hijinks.michael said:It can work, but can only be the 3 of them.
A big part of why KOTCS sagged was there was so many people along!
Nobody cared for Ox, and Mac's part became a joke unto itself.
But you are right, it seems like it's the ONLY way to go about it for a fifth. I can't picture Marion just staying home while the boys are out on an adventure. It could be done right.
The margin for error just seems so slim to me though.
Rocket Surgeon said:While Mutt will surely be along it's not necessary. There are creative and talented writers out there, despite what Skull finally is. Marion and Mutt had lives BEFORE the events of Crystal Skull and it's unlikely that they'll all move into one house and have that half hour sitcom relationship loaded with hijinks.
The way I see it, based on the dialog and tradition, yes Mutt's SUPPOSED to be in college when he and Indy cross paths...Montana Smith said:Mutt can be in college. Like Shia was in Transformers 2.
JuniorJones said:Would you give the fedora over to Shia LaBeouf in the next Indiana Jones movie?
Hannah Rowton
DEL CITY, OKLA.
HF: What are you talking about? It's mine. I would love to do another Indiana Jones movie. George Lucas is working on an idea now. Shia can get his own hat. I earned that hat.
Part of 10 Questions for Harrison Ford on Time.com sometime last year.
kongisking said:He does have his own hat. Remember the one he wore in his introduction at the train station? Shame he didn't wear it the rest of the movie...
That hat was to pooftery... it looked like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man's hat on top of another hat!kongisking said:Shame he didn't wear it the rest of the movie...
Rocket Surgeon said:That hat was to pooftery... it looked like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man's hat on top of another hat!
Thank goodness they ditched it!
michael said:Was a magical moment, for me at least. Even haters loved this moment.
When he grabs the hat and walks out with Marion, ALL 3 of them are smiling, but that's not their characters smiling, that's Harrison Ford, Shia LaBeouf and Karen Allen smiling.
They ALL knew this was it. They ALL knew the importance of the moment. That's how the story ends, Indiana Jones lives on and nobody can replace him.
I don't see how there could be a fifth with that ending. Regardless of everything leading up to it, it completed the saga perfectly. I think that's all we can ask for.
In my opinion it's the still the best ending out of the four. Yeah I went there. Mostly because when I saw it, I knew that was it. I'm not going to see another new one ever again. Oh he's got more adventures ahead of him that's for sure, but not for us to see.
It seems most of the reason why we want a fifth one (well besides the fact that it's MORE Indy) is to replace the 2nd half of the movie, because it drops like a rock when they get to Marion---no offense, doll. That is NOT why you should make an Indy five. You make it because it WORKS. Crystal Skull still WORKS, no matter how subpar it is to the rest.
You make a fifth, in this series, after that ending, it better be f***ing PERFECT and it better have an ending to all endings.
ok, I only brought all this up because I watched it recently, and the ending just kills me everytime!
michael said:It can work, but can only be the 3 of them.
A big part of why KOTCS sagged was there was so many people along!
Nobody cared for Ox, and Mac's part became a joke unto itself.
But you are right, it seems like it's the ONLY way to go about it for a fifth. I can't picture Marion just staying home while the boys are out on an adventure. It could be done right.
The margin for error just seems so slim to me though.
Montana Smith said:I still see the ending as intentionally open-ended.
When it was filmed Lucas and Spielberg wouldn't know how well KOTCS would be received. Neither would they be 100% sure that all the main players could return for a possible #5.
So, the 'hat ending' can represent:
1. A perfect ending. Indy remains defiant, never relinquishing the fedora.
2. A perfect setup for #5. Indy's defiance confirms that he's ready to take on another adventure.
3. Mutt's claim to the fedora. He wants to step into his father's Aldens and wear the hat. He's signalling his future intent. This would be the defining moment for the creation of a Mutt spin-off series.
All three options are made possible in that fedora exchanging scene
Montana Smith said:KOTCS saw Indy older, kicked around and forced down a path he didn't want to go. He survived, and then seemingly settled back down into a more relaxed way of life. He began the film as a field archaeologist, rather than a tomb-robbing adventurer, and he ended it married with a kid and a college promotion.