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Old 11-19-2017, 09:55 PM   #51
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Which one don't you like?

The first one is very good -- but not great. I may too hard on it -- successfully bringing Captain America to the screen was no small task but as avid Captain America reader as kid in the '70's, I think the fell short with the Red Skull. Hugo Weaving was good but Red Skull is fantastic villain and there could have been more.
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The first one is very good -- but not great. I may too hard on it -- successfully bringing Captain America to the screen was no small task but as avid Captain America reader as kid in the '70's, I think the fell short with the Red Skull. Hugo Weaving was good but Red Skull is fantastic villain and there could have been more.
I love the first one but its mainly because of the pieces outside of the Red Skull. I thought they nailed Cap's origin and did a great job giving him a solid backstory in the 40's to build his character in modern day. I was never a huge Cap fan though so I have nothing to really base the Red Skull comparison on.

I thought the third was the weakest of the trilogy really because it should have been Avengers 3, not Captain America 3. Still a great movie but it was "bigger" than the first two by having the large cast of characters and it lost the focus on Cap.
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I thought they nailed Cap's origin and did a great job giving him a solid backstory in the 40's to build his character in modern day.

Totally agreed.

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Still a great movie but it was "bigger" than the first two by having the large cast of characters and it lost the focus on Cap.

Agreed here also -- but here's a defense for the "bigger" focus. Think back to the airport fight, I love the rapid fire different perspectives we get on Cap from different characters:

1. Cap and Sharon Carter's first kiss. Think about it -- in comic book movies there aren't many good kisses and given our long history with Cap across several films, I'd say this one counts.

2. Bucky and Falcon's reaction to #1. Brilliant comic relief that brings the viewer into the moment (and helps set up further comic relief during the fight scene).

3. Ant-Man's fanboy reaction to meeting Cap. Reminders like this of Cap's larger-than-than-life status that are funny in of themselves but it helps set up other jokes, like the Captain America public service announcements in Spider Man, Homecoming.

4. Spiderman and Cap's Brooklyn-Queens moment. Core to the Marvel ethos -- where you are from matters and has meaning.

5. Cap and Tony Stark squaring off. Something that Marvel started laying the seeds for way back in Avengers 1. Smart guy Starks thinks he has the upper hand by bringing a ringer (Spider-Man) but it is Cap who outsmarts Stark.

6. Black Widow helping to spring Cap -- a very cool and fitting moment of loyalty that has emotional resonance due to Black Widow's interaction with Cap in Winter Soldier.

All I'm saying is that there's an unmatched narrative density in the Airport fight scene that fleshes out Captain America's character. It is that density that allows me to excuse the film basically being a mini-Avengers. In the Marvel Universe, despite being far from the most powerful, Captain America is still the center of it all.

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Fair points all (though I didn't love the Ant-Man meeting scene, but then I didn't love Ant-Man, he was only ok).
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