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Old 03-18-2018, 08:25 PM   #1
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Were the Aliens & Crystal Skull underdeveloped?

Consider that the Ark of the Covenant and Holy Grail are very firmly established relics of lore in Western culture. The Ark is less known but has a Biblical background and Grail lore has been a part of the West for centuries. The Sankara Stones, while less accessible to Western audiences, were developed enough at least within the actual film to be shown to pose some threat (They could be used to turn entire villages to dust and cause famines, for example - they had that level of power).

The aliens, I feel, on the other hand were underdeveloped. The film asks the audience many more questions than it answers, and, when using an already controversial idea, that's a problem.

-The Aliens are shown to be a hive mind, only in operation when all heads are attached. Yet one lone skull has mind control abilities?

-The Aliens supposedly helped the Ugha Tribe develop technologies and civilization far beyond that of the modern era, but we get to Akator and it is a pretty average ancient Mayan/Peruvian type ruin. There are no signs of paved roads or advanced technologies.

-The Aliens seem to have been "archaeologists" of humanity, but this angle is never fully developed or explored. Does this mean they guided all of mankind's civilizations? Or simply studied them?

-Why settle their ship in Peru? Why settle on Earth, period?

-Why did none of the Ugha attempt to reclaim the Skull for their Gods?

-How did a 15th or 16th century warrior manage to behead an almost god-like alien being?

-Why in 500 years were no other aliens (like the "distant cousin" at Roswell) able to find Akator?

-If the city temple was MEANT to be found, and it seems the aliens wanted the skull returned, why the barriers and booby traps? The Grail was not meant to be found except by one worthy man or woman. The Ark was lost to history and sealed away because it was dangerous. The Temple of Doom has booby traps because it is a secret society attempting to remain secret and infiltrate mainstream Indian culture and they do not wish to be found. But the aliens want the skull to be returned, so why barriers, why traps?

-Why did the Skull only seem to mildly influence Indy, but turned Oxley into raving lunatic? Why did the return of the Skull to the Alien cure Oxley?

I just feel that it's not that Indiana Jones meets Aliens is the issue; it's how underdeveloped the alien angle - ripe for creating a new mythology around - is.
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Old 03-19-2018, 09:20 AM   #2
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Asking if they were underdeveloped suggests they were developed at all. They weren't.
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Old 03-19-2018, 09:59 AM   #3
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Part of the issue was that Spielberg, perhaps cognizant of having directed several alien-based films, did not want this as the theme? We know Ford wasn't keen on it. Personally, I really liked the "original" alleged script that was leaked. I think it worked a lot better. Due to being kind of embarrassed by it, the final script treated it pretty badly. It was just a bad script, brought on by the differences between the big 3.
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Old 03-24-2018, 04:49 PM   #4
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This film is passable for me but yes, it asks way too much from the audience. It takes the "suspend your belief" thing too far, even for Indiana Jones standards.

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-The Aliens are shown to be a hive mind, only in operation when all heads are attached. Yet one lone skull has mind control abilities?

They are capable of hive mind but all possess that power as demonstrated after Indy and Mutt are captured.

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-The Aliens supposedly helped the Ugha Tribe develop technologies and civilization far beyond that of the modern era, but we get to Akator and it is a pretty average ancient Mayan/Peruvian type ruin. There are no signs of paved roads or advanced technologies.

I don't remember the wording in the film but if they said beyond modern era, that was definitely a mistake in the script or art direction. For now, just think of it as the characters' interpretation of the story. They don't know the truth exactly until they find the city.

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-The Aliens seem to have been "archaeologists" of humanity, but this angle is never fully developed or explored. Does this mean they guided all of mankind's civilizations? Or simply studied them?

For the sake of Indy's canon, I hope this is not true because that would mean each Indy film has an alien angle or origin. The Aliens probably studied and collected artifacts, stepping in from time to time when humans nearly starved or killed each other off for good.

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-Why settle their ship in Peru? Why settle on Earth, period?

They may have set up other places as well. We don't know and never will (unless Indy 5 has more alien plot points but I highly doubt it.

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-Why did none of the Ugha attempt to reclaim the Skull for their Gods?

They might have. How did the conquistadors die? Did the Ugha kill them? I don't know either.

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-How did a 15th or 16th century warrior manage to behead an almost god-like alien being?

"If it bleeds, we can kill it." Wait that's from another movie that takes place in a similar area... I'm sure they could be murdered like anyone else. Not a very important story point. A god got beheaded, thus the legend started.

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-Why in 500 years were no other aliens (like the "distant cousin" at Roswell) able to find Akator?

The Aliens and their cousins probably had no knowledge of the event and the said Crystal Skull's friends didn't have an interest in returning themselves. Returning the skull, triggered an alert system - like a beacon and the ship automatically flew home.

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-If the city temple was MEANT to be found, and it seems the aliens wanted the skull returned, why the barriers and booby traps? The Grail was not meant to be found except by one worthy man or woman. The Ark was lost to history and sealed away because it was dangerous. The Temple of Doom has booby traps because it is a secret society attempting to remain secret and infiltrate mainstream Indian culture and they do not wish to be found. But the aliens want the skull to be returned, so why barriers, why traps?

Only those with knowledge of the tomb could make it past those traps. Same with past booby traps. The ones who don't know what's coming are most likely looters (like Indy ) - The right person, or chosen one, would know to keep moving down the stairs before they closed. Had Indy and company not hesitated, it might not have been so dramatic. Alarming, but survivable.

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-Why did the Skull only seem to mildly influence Indy, but turned Oxley into raving lunatic? Why did the return of the Skull to the Alien cure Oxley?

Spalko theorizes he spent too much time looking into it's eyes. Indy was only for a moment. His cure may have been a part of the "gift" or aliens needed him to obsess over Akator in order for the ship to be found and "returned" home. That ship looked expensive.

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I just feel that it's not that Indiana Jones meets Aliens is the issue; it's how underdeveloped the alien angle - ripe for creating a new mythology around - is.

Yes, despite the 19 years between Last Crusade and Kingdom, the script needed a little more time. They rushed at the last minute.
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