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Old 06-28-2018, 04:51 PM   #151
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Hopefully most of this turns out to be false, but with the announcement of Kasdan's involvement with the script and Spielberg's commitment to a variety of other projects, this might prove true.
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It has essentially been canceled.
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It has essentially been canceled.
I hope not, but I see where you're coming from. It's like the film will soon be postponed into oblivion. However, the article didn't exactly say how far it would be postponed, so I think an early 2021 release is feasible. Anything beyond that would be ludicrous.
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I hope not, but I see where you're coming from. It's like the film will soon be postponed into oblivion. However, the article didn't exactly say how far it would be postponed, so I think an early 2021 release is feasible. Anything beyond that would be ludicrous.

I've said this before, and no one believed me, but LF is waiting for Harrison to die. KK dislikes him for ideological reasons, and they see him as an obstacle for filmmaking reasons. They view him as an albatross, his presence in the film a Catch 22. What better way to relaunch Indy than on the back of the public's memory of Harrison? They will capitalize on Gen X's grief and such. I will say it now: You will not see an Indy film until Harrison Ford passes away.

Of course, when they go public with the delay (which I will guess right now is pushed back to 2022 or 2023), they will blame Solo in some form, even if not directly (you know, in good studio-ese).

He will die, they will push the film out soon after, riding on his memory. "We're doing what Harrison would've wanted us to do, this film will be a celebration of the character he shaped and helped create. This will be a love letter to the fans, to Harrison's fans, and we're doing this to honor his memory. Adventure still has a name, and it is still Indiana Jones, and I know Harrison would approve."
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They really should have done my Tree of Life idea. When they had the chance. Or Deadlock's Realm of the Dead, or any of the ones submitted here.
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They really should have done my Tree of Life idea. When they had the chance. Or Deadlock's Realm of the Dead, or any of the ones submitted here.
I remember hearing a rumor about the beards using the Vajra as a McGuffin for Indy 5. I think that'd be cool, especially as it was such a devastating weapon in Hindu mythology.
Considering the delays, though, I think I'll find the Ark of the Covenant before I see Harrison back in the fedora.
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I've said this before, and no one believed me, but LF is waiting for Harrison to die. KK dislikes him for ideological reasons, and they see him as an obstacle for filmmaking reasons. They view him as an albatross, his presence in the film a Catch 22. What better way to relaunch Indy than on the back of the public's memory of Harrison? They will capitalize on Gen X's grief and such. I will say it now: You will not see an Indy film until Harrison Ford passes away.

Of course, when they go public with the delay (which I will guess right now is pushed back to 2022 or 2023), they will blame Solo in some form, even if not directly (you know, in good studio-ese).

He will die, they will push the film out soon after, riding on his memory. "We're doing what Harrison would've wanted us to do, this film will be a celebration of the character he shaped and helped create. This will be a love letter to the fans, to Harrison's fans, and we're doing this to honor his memory. Adventure still has a name, and it is still Indiana Jones, and I know Harrison would approve."

Um, you do know that Kennedy has been working with Harrison for decades, friends too, I imagine. She's been a producer on the series going back to Temple of Doom. For what reason would she suddenly not like him, after knowing him for over thirty years??

IF anyone is trying to push Harrison out of the role, it would be by Disney executives who want to rush to relaunch the character with a young face, not a longtime member of the Lucas/Spielberg buddies club, which Kathy is a part of. Think for two seconds before you start spouting some baseless agenda-driven drivel.

Look, I didn't like The Last Jedi either, but this 'blaming Kennedy for all of the evils of the world' thing is getting goddamn ridiculous. With all your whining about "the SJW agenda" at Lucasfilm and it "infecting" Indy 5, frankly, it's tiring.

Now, since Jonathan Kasdan has been brought onto Indy 5 as a writer, superficially, Disney still supports the project--it's not officially DOA. But I do agree, a delay on this particular project has most likely doomed it. It was a fun hope while it lasted.
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Fare thee well, Indy 5, we hardly knew ye.
In all honesty, though, I'm still holding onto some hope for the film actually getting released. A man can dream, or at least try to.
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ugh, I’m SO pissed at Kathleen Kennedy for her lousy job at running Lucasfilm!

...of course, not all the blame goes to her, Iger and the rest of the Disney board only really care about pushing billion dollar franchises(and look how well the strategy is going, ie Solo).

Even Spielberg, doesn’t REALLY seem to care care. If he REALLY wanted this movie made, he would push for it and would probably release it now. But he seems happy to be making “The Post”, a remake of “West Side Story” or whatever boring project he has lined up.

Meanwhile, this 5th installment which should’ve been done at least half a decade ago, may never happen, but they tease us fans, over and over and over again.

Life is cruel.
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Even Spielberg, doesn’t REALLY seem to care care. If he REALLY wanted this movie made, he would push for it and would probably release it now. But he seems happy to be making “The Post”, a remake of “West Side Story” or whatever boring project he has lined up.

Meanwhile, this 5th installment which should’ve been done at least half a decade ago, may never happen, but they tease us fans, over and over and over again.

Life is cruel.
Yeah, I think Spielberg is kind of apathetic to the whole thing. I think for him Indiana Jones ended back in 1989. He's always been averse to more sequels, and I think he's content with pushing it back for a long time. I don't blame him, though. He's moved on as a director and I think we need to start accepting that. He wants to make more "mature" projects, and Indy doesn't fit within that scope.
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Fare thee well, Indy 5, we hardly knew ye.
In all honesty, though, I'm still holding onto some hope for the film actually getting released. A man can dream, or at least try to.

Even if this spells the end of Ford's run on the character, Disney won't sit on those rights--they're worth too much. Indiana Jones will return. They didn't buy the distribution rights to future Indy films from Paramount for nothing.

A new film is the lynchpin. We won't likely see a lick of anything else Indy without a film for Disney to piggyback on, promotionally. Frankly, a new film starring Harrison wasn't likely to be the kind of revival that Disney wants out of the franchise. A fifth film with Harrison reads, to me, as an olive branch to the old guard of the series (Lucas/Spielberg/Ford/Marshall and Kennedy) before they get someone in the role that will bring new, younger fans in.

If a franchise can't grow it's fanbase, it's doomed. Indy has prettymuch been a (well-loved but) dead franchise since before KOTCS. New generations aren't invested in our Dr. Jones (if they even know who he is) and honestly new installments with an old man ain't gonna bring in the youngsters.

Now, before someone here over-reacts to my statements (*cough*), I'm not anti-Ford and I'm not pro-change-the-series. I don't want a hip new reinvention of Young Indy set in the modern day with music by Justin Bieber. I'm a realist, and a fan of the character. I want the character to survive and for the franchise to come back from obscurity (a cartoon series and new video games would be damn nice), and if getting a new face in the fedora will do that, then I'm open to it. If Disney got someone like Chris Pratt (I said it! Get your crucifixes!), then that gets fans of his to maybe be fans of Indiana Jones.

A big mistake of fandoms is an immense resistance to change. I don't know about you, but I don't want to hide in my house like a common troll keeping Indiana Jones to myself, stuck with only the same content and never getting anything new. When I see Back to the Future fans talking the same topics over and over and over, I cringe. It's a dead franchise.

I want to see Indy be mainstream again. I want to see kids come out of an Indy movie totally digging it, perhaps inspired to seek out some info about archaeology. For my customers/coworkers to be even aware of who/what Indy is. Indy needs to be relevant again. If we have to lose a fifth film with Harrison to get that, I can deal with it. I don't want this character to be locked to a club of 30 y.o.+ man-children. Let's get some fresh blood.

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Oh, man. Wow.
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Even if this spells the end of Ford's run on the character, Disney won't sit on those rights--they're worth too much. Indiana Jones will return. They didn't buy the distribution rights to future Indy films from Paramount for nothing.

A new film is the lynchpin. We won't likely see a lick of anything else Indy without a film for Disney to piggyback on, promotionally. Frankly, a new film starring Harrison wasn't likely to be the kind of revival that Disney wants out of the franchise. A fifth film with Harrison reads, to me, as an olive branch to the old guard of the series (Lucas/Spielberg/Ford/Marshall and Kennedy) before they get someone in the role that will bring new, younger fans in.

If a franchise can't grow it's fanbase, it's doomed. Indy has prettymuch been a (well-loved but) dead franchise since before KOTCS. New generations aren't invested in our Dr. Jones (if they even know who he is) and honestly new installments with an old man ain't gonna bring in
Now, before someone here over-reacts to my statements (*cough*), I'm not anti-Ford and I'm not pro-change-the-series. I don't want a hip new reinvention of Young Indy set in the modern day with music by Justin Bieber. I'm a realist, and a fan of the character. I want the character to survive and for the franchise to come back from obscurity (a cartoon series and new video games would be damn nice), and if getting a new face in the fedora will do that, then I'm open to it. If Disney got someone like Chris Pratt (I said it! Get your crucifixes!), then that gets fans of his to maybe be fans of Indiana Jones.

A big mistake of fandoms is an immense resistance to change. I don't know about you, but I don't want to hide in my house like a common troll keeping Indiana Jones to myself, stuck with only the same content and never getting anything new. When I see Back to the Future fans talking the same topics over and over and over, I cringe. It's a dead franchise.

I want to see Indy be mainstream again. I want to see kids come out of an Indy movie totally digging it, perhaps inspired to seek out some info about archaeology. For my customers/coworkers to be even aware of who/what Indy is. Indy needs to be relevant again. If we have to lose a fifth film with Harrison to get that, I can deal with it. I don't want this character to be locked to a club of 30+ man-children. Let's get some fresh blood.
I agree! I think Indy needs to be pitched to a new crowd at this point, but they should still try to keep the roots of the franchise intact. And even though I'm a bit of a Ford Fanatic (I'll be the first to admit it) I'd be fine with a recast, but with a caveat. I want Harrison to have at least one good sendoff, a last hurrah. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
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I agree! I think Indy needs to be pitched to a new crowd at this point, but they should still try to keep the roots of the franchise intact. And even though I'm a bit of a Ford Fanatic (I'll be the first to admit it) I'd be fine with a recast, but with a caveat. I want Harrison to have at least one good sendoff, a last hurrah. I don't think that's too much to ask for.

The ideal situation is, for me, for Indy 5 to open with the new guy in a previous adventure circa 1940 (think LC), an adventure that ties into the main movie set in present (1960s?) day. The next film can be all the new guy--this makes clear to the general masses that the new guy is telling new stories in the same continuity.

Now, I wouldn't want a restarted continuity. But if they did, as long as they kept the series' style, I'd live. If a new beginning kept the time period ('20s/'30s/'40s) and kept his outfit/theme music/Lucas-ian adventure vibe, then I'd have little to complain about.

Maybe even see adaptations of some of the comic/game/novel stories? I think Hollow Earth would make a *****in' flick.
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The ideal situation is, for me, for Indy 5 to open with the new guy in a previous adventure circa 1940 (think LC), an adventure that ties into the main movie set in present (1960s?) day. The next film can be all the new guy--this makes clear to the general masses that the new guy is telling new stories in the same continuity.

Now, I wouldn't want a restarted continuity. But if they did, as long as they kept the series' style, I'd live. If a new beginning kept the time period ('20s/'30s/'40s) and kept his outfit/theme music/Lucas-ian adventure vibe, then I'd have little to complain about.

Maybe even see adaptations of some of the comic/game/novel stories? I think Hollow Earth would make a *****in' flick.
I think at this moment, especially with the delays, they'll have to do something similar to LC. I had kind of hoped for a more Ford-oriented film for his finale without rehashing old tropes, but I think it's time to acknowledge the inevitable. The idea you have is pretty good--we've never seen much of Indy in the war years, so we could see how it affected him.
As for adaptations, I've always been a little wary of them. Book/comic/game adaptations are usually distilled and modified, and for a franchise like Indy, that could spell out some canonical disaster (especially seeing how screwed up the Expanded Adventures are at this moment.)
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Ford will never appear in an Indy film again. Mark my words. Not even on a bookend or a cameo.
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Hey, chin up, at least the Ford Era went out on a high note. Don't know about you guys, but I think it's the crisp, filmic cinematography that keeps me coming back to CRYSTAL SKULL.
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Welcome to the era of Indiana...Pratt?

Or will it be Indiana Ingruber?

In all honesty, though, I think the two could pull it off, but I'd much rather prefer Harrison for one last joyride (even if it was bookends). I doubt Disney will try to minimize him, especially since his presence in TFA brought them quite a bit of cash. If Indy 5 ever comes into fruition, I'm sure he'll play a role in it, no matter how minimal.
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I think at this moment, especially with the delays, they'll have to do something similar to LC. I had kind of hoped for a more Ford-oriented film for his finale without rehashing old tropes, but I think it's time to acknowledge the inevitable. The idea you have is pretty good--we've never seen much of Indy in the war years, so we could see how it affected him.
As for adaptations, I've always been a little wary of them. Book/comic/game adaptations are usually distilled and modified, and for a franchise like Indy, that could spell out some canonical disaster (especially seeing how screwed up the Expanded Adventures are at this moment.)

Not necessarily, the way I see it, the film version of Hollow Earth, for example, would simply replace the canonicity of the novel version. If it was done right anyway, there'd be nothing about it would would overwrite any of the other stuff. Crystal Skull dipped its toes back into some of the past by bringing Marion back, but otherwise the films have always stood alone and the EU material works because of that. If the series started getting more serialized like the Craig Bond films, then yeah, things would get overwritten at a rapid rate.
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Hey, chin up, at least the Ford Era went out on a high note. Don't know about you guys, but I think it's the crisp, filmic cinematography that keeps me coming back to CRYSTAL SKULL.

I actually didn't mind the cinematography. It was a different look but somehow it fit. The worst element of that film was the disjointed and rushed feel of the Jungle chase. I rewatched it recently for the first time in several years, and my girlfriend watched it for the first time ever. She was expecting it to be horrible and she actually enjoyed it and I found myself enjoying it a lot more than I used to. No film could ever live up to the first three films, but I would argue that KOTCS is a fun film. Not great, not horrible, but fun, enjoyable. Still, I would've liked one last Ford film to do a bit better.
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Welcome to the era of Indiana...Pratt?

Or will it be Indiana Ingruber?

In all honesty, though, I think the two could pull it off, but I'd much rather prefer Harrison for one last joyride (even if it was bookends). I doubt Disney will try to minimize him, especially since his presence in TFA brought them quite a bit of cash. If Indy 5 ever comes into fruition, I'm sure he'll play a role in it, no matter how minimal.

The way I see it, it's win/win. For the Ghostbusters fans, the reboot did bring an influx of new merch in, and also freed-up the rights from Bill Murray so more could be done with the franchise. If we get a new Indy, and it's successful: it can grow the fanbase, re-energize the brand (new/legacy merch), and if it's good? Then roll on, good times.

The people who will hate it simply because they've re-cast Indy would have hated it if Ford had been in it anyway (He's sooo old! Stop raping my childhood! Let it die!). The iconoclasts don't matter because they wouldn't have been happy anyway. If they don't like it, they can just pretend the new films never happened. To them it will literally be no different than if KOTCS was the last one.

The old fans will stay or go--doesn't matter. New fans are more important. If you don't get new folks in, us existing fans will die out anyway eventually, and then there'll be no one left who remembers or loves Indiana.
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Not necessarily, the way I see it, the film version of Hollow Earth, for example, would simply replace the canonicity of the novel version. If it was done right anyway, there'd be nothing about it would would overwrite any of the other stuff. Crystal Skull dipped its toes back into some of the past by bringing Marion back, but otherwise the films have always stood alone and the EU material works because of that. If the series started getting more serialized like the Craig Bond films, then yeah, things would get overwritten at a rapid rate.
I get where you're coming from. I guess my main problem with Indy is that the franchise itself isn't as highly managed as other franchises are (i.e. Star Wars). The universe's canon is kind of mismanaged, so I just have a bad feeling about waves of confusion being created by this.
However, at the same time, I think some of the Indy novels would be epic as films. In the end, we'll just have to see how they end up resolving everything with Indy 5.
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The way I see it, it's win/win. For the Ghostbusters fans, the reboot did bring an influx of new merch in, and also freed-up the rights from Bill Murray so more could be done with the franchise. If we get a new Indy, and it's successful: it can grow the fanbase, re-energize the brand (new/legacy merch), and if it's good? Then roll on, good times.

The people who will hate it simply because they've re-cast Indy would have hated it if Ford had been in it anyway (He's sooo old! Stop raping my childhood! Let it die!). The iconoclasts don't matter because they wouldn't have been happy anyway. If they don't like it, they can just pretend the new films never happened. To them it will literally be no different than if KOTCS was the last one.

The old fans will stay or go--doesn't matter. New fans are more important. If you don't get new folks in, us existing fans will die out anyway eventually, and then there'll be no one left who remembers or loves Indiana.
I concur. I'm someone who was born long after the original films were released (a "digital native", as we're called now) and a lot of people in my generation know who Indiana Jones is, but haven't really been exposed to it yet. Even though it's weird to me (the films were part of my childhood) I think a lot of "80s" franchises are starting to bite the dust. Look at Star Wars compared to the Marvel Universe. People want something modern, something they can relate to. Luke Skywalker swinging around a lightsaber simply isn't interesting anymore to a lot of crowds.
I think Indy could easily expand into our Digital Age, but they aren't doing enough with it. Indy doesn't even have an official website. They can do a lot with the franchise, but they just aren't.
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Hey, chin up, at least the Ford Era went out on a high note. Don't know about you guys, but I think it's the crisp, filmic cinematography that keeps me coming back to CRYSTAL SKULL.
Touché. But Kaminski's filters worked sometimes, especially in the fridge scene (I know, I know).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn4Vhkmb4Lw
There's something kind of hauntingly menacing about the lighting here when you consider the situation Indy's in. He's trapped in this fake, ultra-idealistic world which eventually shatters, which kind of fits in with the idyllic view of the 1950s compared to the harsh realities of it.
Too philosophical? Probably, but it sounds nice
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I think a big problem was they wrote Indy into a corner with the ending of Skull with Marion and Mutt. Spielberg is a sentimental old man and I have my doubts that he would write out Marion; Mutt yes, but Marion? SS is also I feel too old to helm a dark Indy story, and too afraid ever since TOD to do so even if he wanted to. Even if KOTCS was not the fourth film everyone wanted it to be, in a way, it wraps Indy's story up much tighter than the ending of LC ever did. He is married. Has a son who he has years of catching up with to do. You could pull a Star Trek III and kill off Mutt and Marion and make a dark sort of introspective type thing, but I don't think Spielberg is the man for that anymore.

I have actually felt for a while that Spielberg was the weak link. He was burned out as early as 1989 and only did LC as an apology for TOD. He didn't want to do any Indy films after that. Harrison was game to do more. Lucas was on board. Spielberg was the holdout. We could've gotten Lucas' alien idea out of his system in the mid 90s (and it would've been received better in 1996), then a few years later around 2000 gotten a more traditional, final Indy film with Harrison.

I believe if we had Harrison, Lucas writing a story treatment and a good screenwriter taking it from there, and a younger director, we'd have had a very satisfying Indy 5 at least half a decade ago.

Alas.
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