JuniorJones
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Indy's brother said:
Ha,ha! I know.
General Indy 5 Thread - rumors and possibilities
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Ha,ha! I know.
DoomsdayFAN
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I just don't understand why they can't go back the formula of the first film.
DoomsdayFAN said:
A fair thing to wonder, but there's going to be a lot of different formulas on the table even if just those of us here tried to describe what the formula was.
Montana Smith
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Attila the Professor said:
And when we'd finished arguing, and agreed on a tiny part of that formula, it would probably involve Indy doing something athletic akin to jumping off a horse onto a moving vehicle, coming off the vehicle and then getting back on. Not something we're likely to accept in Indy V.
For KOTCS the stunt was mimicked from Mutt's bike with Indy being dragged into a car and back to the bike. It doesn't have quite the same dramatic effect as the original Yakima Canutt inspired stunt, and as time passes it will be even harder to replicate ROTLA.
Darth Vile
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Montana Smith said:
I agree - Firstly, I'm not sure there is a consensus around what that formula was; and wether our perception of it is accurate (as we know much of it was driven by economic reasons). Secondly, although Raiders is regarded as the 'definitive' Indy movie, there are many many people who prefer the look and feel of the sequels (for all their shortcomings)... maybe even Lucas/Spielberg? Thirdly, whilst they could always return to a more 'real' stunt orientated movie... I'm not sure that's possible with all the modern H&S regulations (someone will know better than me), and even if they weren't restricted by that, I'm not sure if audiences even appreciate that facet of stunt work as much as they used to...
Toht's Arm
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Montana Smith said:
This is actually one of my favourite moments of KOTCS, and certainly recalls old-school Indy. I loved the haphazard nature of the stunt, like Indy was never quite sure what he would do next. This make-it-up-as-you-go-along thing is probably one of the defining aspects of Indy, for me.
Whilst the blowing up of the jungle cutter is (quite rightly) seen as a missed opportunity, I think this was an attempt to recall scenes like Indy shooting the Arab swordsman.
I think they have attempted to mimic the formula of the first film all the way through the series, but in our minds have only sporadically succeeded. The same thing will happen for Indy V...
Darth Vile
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Toht's Arm said:
I agree about the "make it up as you go along" theme. Re. motobike sequence from KOTCS. I personally like the sequence. Structurally, I think it's probably KOTCS's equivalent of the venice boast chase from TLC... as it has the same frivolous feel and happens at a similar point in the movie.
The jungle cutter sequence is obviously a re-working of the truck and tank set piece from Raiders and TLC (two of the greatest stunt/chase sequences put to film IMHO), which is no bad thing. As a conceit/premise, the jungle cutter is up there with the best of them. As a live action sequence, it doesn't quite hit the mark for a couple of reasons (IMHO). 1) Spielberg's direction is off - it doesn't have the same sense of urgency as the truck/tank scenes, and I think this can only be down to the direction and editing. 2) Too much blue/green screen and CGI in key moments... that weren't required and make the sequence somewhat bloated/overdone. Don't get me wrong... as an action sequence it can stand up to anything in other contemporary movies, but for me it's not in the same class as the sequences from Raiders and TLC.
Montana Smith
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Darth Vile said:
It would be a sad day if 'stunts' were completely reduced to CGI sequences, and just as sad if an audience was unhappy unless a stunt was spectacular enough that no human would even attempt it!
The original formula, which as you wrote was partly dictated by budget, involved real action sequences, but also because Lucas was inspired by the stuntwork of the serials. Especially the work of Yakima Canutt, as seen here in Zorro Rides Again (1937):
This, I feel ought to be an essential ingredient, or else Indiana Jones will be emasculated. It will be difficult for him to remain a dominant force on wits alone, even if the Hitchcockian style was attempted.
Darth Vile
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Montana Smith said:
I agree with all that. Sadly, however, even in the lesser effects driven movies it seems that more time/effort is put into the choreography of fist fights than actual stunt sequences per se. I'm trying to think of some recent examples of good 'in your face' stunt sequences a la Indiana Jones type things... but I can't think of any. Did Sherlock Holmes have anything..? Struggling to think of anything in that (although it did have very good fight sequences). The best, most recent one I can think of is the tanker chase at the airport in Casino Royale, and maybe some of the vehicle sequences in Die Hard 4.
Indy's brother
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Montana Smith said:
As I said a while back:
Maybe this deserves it's own thread, but I thought I'd put it here. Every film has Indy physically jumping from one mode of transport to another.
ROTLA:
TOD:
LC (twice):
KOTCS:
(Didn't Indy jump from the jungle-cutter to the duck as well?)
What should the next jump be? Going over the top to exceed the action in previous installments should be done in ways like this I think. How about jumping from an aerosled (which then goes off a cliff) to the wing of a plane for a cool wing-walking sequence/fight?
Adding the motorcycle to car transfer that Montana mentioned, and KOTCS arguably may have had the most Indy-ish chase sequences. Mechanically speaking. I think that we can all at least agree that this facet of the formula is present in the series, and needs to continue, should a fifth film ever make it's way to the big-screen.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and in LC, didn't Indy jump from one boat to another at some point? I bet there are a few more examples that I'm missing.
Montana Smith
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Indy's brother said:
It is a staple ingredient. At a stretch there was falling with style (a.k.a. travel by awning) into the Duesenberg Auburn:
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replican't
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The motorbike chase in Indy 4 is the lamest, tamest stunt sequence ever. Most of the time its so obvious its not even Harrison on the bike, its laughable. And that bit in the library? Embarrassing,cheesy nonsense.
You can put Indy in a suit and have him jumping on boats and escaping from burning oil and get away with it in Last Crusade, but by the time he's Crystal Skull age, he just looks like one of those old lost and confused blokes you see in the pub or the charity shop.
You can put Indy in a suit and have him jumping on boats and escaping from burning oil and get away with it in Last Crusade, but by the time he's Crystal Skull age, he just looks like one of those old lost and confused blokes you see in the pub or the charity shop.
replican't
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While I'm thinking about it, Spalko was utterly shit too. Crappest enemy in the history of crap enemies.
Hey Lucas - making the villian of Indy 4 a woman? With mental powers? And a sword? Way to go, freaky neck! What an awesome idea that was.
Here's a suggestion for Indy 5's villain - one that will truly tick the demgraphoic focus group revenue boxes: an evil iPhone! Yes, why not have Mutt going up against a mutated Apple product that plans to take over his Facebook profile? While his dad fumbles at home with the TV remote control, Junior Indy could be out screaming "OMG" and "Dude, whateva!" into his blu-tooth headset.
Indiana Jones & The Totally Sick Near Field Communication App From Cyberspace
It would truly relevencanise the franchise. Kerching!
Hey Lucas - making the villian of Indy 4 a woman? With mental powers? And a sword? Way to go, freaky neck! What an awesome idea that was.
Here's a suggestion for Indy 5's villain - one that will truly tick the demgraphoic focus group revenue boxes: an evil iPhone! Yes, why not have Mutt going up against a mutated Apple product that plans to take over his Facebook profile? While his dad fumbles at home with the TV remote control, Junior Indy could be out screaming "OMG" and "Dude, whateva!" into his blu-tooth headset.
Indiana Jones & The Totally Sick Near Field Communication App From Cyberspace
It would truly relevencanise the franchise. Kerching!
The Drifter
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replican't said:
You're trying too hard...
Montana Smith
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replican't said:
"relevencanise" ?
Try harder, you must.
replican't
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I'll get my team of cgi monkeys working on redrafting, asap.
Funny how operating from a deluded perspective can make this look like the thread for complaining about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull...
replican't
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Attila the Professor said:
Not really - experience of the crudtastic Crystal Skull can quite rightly be cause for concern over any possible Indy 5.
It's not rocket science mate.
replican't said:
Yeah, but you're subjecting us all to the same warmed over complaints masquerading as clever in any place where you find it even vaguely suitable. Sometimes, as today, with the same post in multiple threads.
Plenty of us have problems with the movie, but if you're going to paint the whole thing with the same brush, then you're shutting down any possibility for conversation that rises above the style of a political rally or a revival meeting.