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Old 02-13-2008, 07:07 PM   #51
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The only bit in the trilogy that I don't like is whenever they used dolls to represent Indy, Willie, and Short Round in TOD.

I loved the entirety of Last Crusade, believe it or not. I can't find a fault with it. I realize that you all have your opinions on the matter, but I just don't seem to feel that way.

I don't know, the speedboat chase doesn't set my world on fire. Those aerial masts, huge gravel piles and warehouses in the background don't exactly help with the 1938 setting.
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Old 02-13-2008, 07:14 PM   #52
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Probably either the opening of Last Crusade or the Tank Chase scene. They bore me.
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Old 02-13-2008, 07:17 PM   #53
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I unfortunately think Last Crusade was the weakest link and watch it the least. The whole movie feels like the "Porky’s" movie compared to the tone of the rest of the movies. It's just action, joke, action, joke, action... blah, blah, blah. It just seems like they wanted to have a everything in it because they thought it was going to be the "Last" movie but they sacrificed so much character development at the expense of a laugh. Raiders will always be my favorite. I just hope they rectify Last Crusade with this movie.
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Old 02-13-2008, 07:22 PM   #54
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I unfortunately think Last Crusade was the weakest link and watch it the least. The whole movie feels like the "Porky’s" movie compared to the tone of the rest of the movies. It's just action, joke, action, joke, action... blah, blah, blah. It just seems like they wanted to have a everything in it because they thought it was going to be the "Last" movie but they sacrificed so much character development at the expense of a laugh.

It has the most character development of the three, surely. The father-son stuff.
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Old 02-13-2008, 07:35 PM   #55
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It has the most character development of the three, surely. The father-son stuff.


Maybe... I say maybe because its all done tongue-in-cheek. I read where Lucas said the Grail was not a great Mcguffin so he had to enhance the story with the Father/Son storyline (So even he feels like it was missing something). I just feel like it was all wham-bam-thank-you-mam, with no real story behind it. I'd place Raiders in the same line of Casablanca, a classic film with a real story that resonates with the audience. Crusade feels like cheap porn in my book; sure its fun to watch but it leaves you hollow after watching it. And my favorite character in film is Indy, so this isn't a stab at the character just the film.
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Old 02-13-2008, 08:08 PM   #56
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definitely the dining scene in ToD for me. i didn't think it was even remotely gross because you could tell the stuff was fake (except for the snakes they swallowed, which I'm still not sure how they did), but i thought it was demeaning to indians. after all, the majority of indians, such as the merchants and others, were supposed to be the protagonists and thus deserved a little respect. if they had thuggees eating sh!t, they i wouldn't care, but these were the good guys, excepting chatter lal. besides, i've eaten indian food at some of my best friend's houses, as a matter of fact i'm going to one's house tomorrow night, and the food is very delicious and anything but gross.
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Old 02-13-2008, 08:14 PM   #57
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I've always disliked the transformation of Indy into a Kali slave (or whatever you want to call him) in TOD. Now, when he's under the "Black Sleep of Kali," and gets turned back, that's different. I always just hated seeing him convulse on that stone slab.
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Old 02-13-2008, 08:35 PM   #58
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The Marion/ Belloq in the tent scene.
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Old 02-13-2008, 08:42 PM   #59
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The Marion/ Belloq in the tent scene.

I dug that scene because it fleshed out Belloq. Sure, he was a bad guy but it made him human and relatable. I mean sure, he was nefarious and evil but at least he didn't want Toht to hurt Marion. He just wanted some love.
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Old 02-13-2008, 10:59 PM   #60
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I unfortunately think Last Crusade was the weakest link and watch it the least. The whole movie feels like the "Porky’s" movie compared to the tone of the rest of the movies. It's just action, joke, action, joke, action... blah, blah, blah.
You maybe are missing great moments because of the jokes... and the jokes, much of them where very good!
I really enjoy Last Crusade, i can't find many weak moments, the action and scenes flow so well!
TOD has great scenes, but many lows in my opinion.
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Old 02-13-2008, 11:53 PM   #61
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You maybe are missing great moments because of the jokes... and the jokes, much of them where very good!
I really enjoy Last Crusade, i can't find many weak moments, the action and scenes flow so well!
TOD has great scenes, but many lows in my opinion.

I agree completely... I'm rewatching the trilogy right now (starting with Temple of Doom), and I am warming up to Temple of Doom. Except the Plane Jump. Still cannot stand watching that scene.
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:36 AM   #62
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LAST CRUSADE, for me, is the weakest film. Lackluster action sequences, too much slapstick humor that undermines the appeal of its hero, the loss of the "adventure serial" feel, and lazy camerawork all make it a rather uninspired outing.

It's not a total wash, but it's far from great.
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Old 02-14-2008, 04:16 AM   #63
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an aspect i love about the last crusade is that it doesn't pulls out a bunch of lavishing tricks because it has a genuinely rich relationship story between a father and son, and the razzle dazzle that engulfed ToD would simply get in the way of superb development/acting.

I love every scene in Raiders and The Last Crusade

if i had to choose, i'd say the rafting scene in temple.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:04 PM   #64
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Henry and Marcus in the tank, a little too homo erotic for my tastes.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:13 PM   #65
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Henry and Marcus in the tank, a little too homo erotic for my tastes.

Oxford scholar injokes are homo-erotic?
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:14 PM   #66
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I didn't find it homoerotic, but I thought it was odd that they were like "Hey, we've been kidnapped by Nazis. I know! Let's do our secret handshake! Brilliant!"
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:17 PM   #67
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I didn't find it homoerotic, but I thought it was odd that they were like "Hey, we've been kidnapped by Nazis. I know! Let's do our secret handshake! Brilliant!"

Well the joke is that they're like a pair of nerdy schoolboys.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:21 PM   #68
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Still, my reaction to seeing my friend also being captured by the Nazis wouldn't be "Yay, I have a friend now." It would be more of a sadness that they've managed to get someone close to me as well.

Just being nitpicky.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:22 PM   #69
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Yeah, but they weren't captured yet. They were about to escape. And, presumably, it's been some time since they've seen each other.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:24 PM   #70
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Yeah, but they weren't captured yet. They were about to escape. And, presumably, it's been some time since they've seen each other.

Thats it. They're both so passionate about books that they're like a pair of giddy schoolboys. Even though Henry is there to rescue Marcus, he can't help but be delighted to see him again.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:27 PM   #71
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Oxford scholar injokes are homo-erotic?

Maybe it's his fear of pens and their phallic representation? The last thing I thought of that scene was anything homo-erotic...

Either way, that scene is just another example of why I think Crusade was to slapstick.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:27 PM   #72
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Using the raft to escape the crashing plane in TOD...

I know Mythbusters proved that it could happen, but that doesn't make me like the scene any more.
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:03 PM   #73
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an aspect i love about the last crusade is that it doesn't pulls out a bunch of lavishing tricks because it has a genuinely rich relationship story between a father and son, and the razzle dazzle that engulfed ToD would simply get in the way of superb development/acting.
If the relationship between father/son was more than some back and forth jokes poking fun at both characters, than I wouldn't mind. But frankly, I didn't see much that was rich about their story in LAST CRUSADE.
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:24 PM   #74
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I never understood the backlash against the raft stunt in Temple of Doom. I mean why not?
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:49 PM   #75
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Henry Jones Sr. sitting on the chair in the castle and Indy falling down the stairs yelling...."Daaaaaaaaad". Ugh.

And the tank fight between Vogel and Indy in the LC. Pathetic.

LC has some pretty bad moments if you watch it again. Waaay to slapstick for my taste. Seems more like a Charlie Chaplin movie if you ask me.
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