kongisking said:In this case, such habit is "raining on real fans' parade."
Celebrate Nolan, peasant!!!!!!!!!!
kongisking said:In this case, such habit is "raining on real fans' parade."
The Drifter said:I just don't see how this debate can still be continuing after all these years. It's well trampled ground by now.
replican?t said:Less than zero suspense, and sphincter-clenchingly bad characters. Those are KOCS'' glaring faults. It's a film on rails, a parade of frames that move us inexorablly towards its creaking, cheesecrust conclusion. Spielberg and Lucas (and whichever overpaid moron was responsible for the excrementary script) should win an award for their film making here. Never before have I witnessed such a towering achievement in creating a film so utterly undemanding of involvement from its audience. All of the characters - from poor,shrugging, confused old Indy to his plastic surgerised annoying missus and punchable twat of a son, right the way down to the cardboard cut out Russians and cgi extras moonlighting between Madagascar sequels - are wheeled on so we can watch them dance and flop around with sh*t-eating grins, flailing motivations and blank eyes, seemingly oblivious to the fact that we ache for them to just clear off the screen sharpish so we can get on with more interesting stuff like the washing up and cutting our toenails.
Any film that makes me actively prefer to confront my own sorry life, well it's begging for a merciful bullet between the eyes. And a boot to the groin while it's going down, just to be sure.
Raiders112390 said:Celebrate Nolan, peasant!!!!!!!!!!
Montana Smith said:There is no debate. Just opinion.
Montana Smith said:There is no debate. Just opinion.
Back in the good old days of this forum:
http://raven.theraider.net/showpost.php?p=525388&postcount=576
Raiders112390 said:Is KOTCS the worst film ever made, Nolanite?
The Drifter said:The same tired opinions that's been rehashed over and over again.
Indy's brother said:Indy's Bro: I barely recognize this forum anymore. The members've got us seeing trolls in our soup.
The Drifter: Brutal couple of years, huh, IB? First KOTCS, then the endless sh!t talking.
Indy's Bro: This forum seems to have reached the age where it stops giving us things and starts taking them away.
Indy's brother said:Indy's Bro: I barely recognize this forum anymore. The members've got us seeing trolls in our soup.
The Drifter: Brutal couple of years, huh, IB? First KOTCS, then the endless sh!t talking.
Indy's Bro: This forum seems to have reached the age where it stops giving us things and starts taking them away.
The Drifter said:The same tired opinions that's been rehashed over and over again.
Le Saboteur said:I should preface this with: I had zero intention of posting in this thread until I read this, but the kvetching about the carping and grousing is infinitely more irritating than everything that preceded it. Which begs the question, 'What exactly have you brought to the table lately?' Doors have been opened by myself and others, but if you're completely unwilling to step through them what privilege was afforded you to complain about the way the forum is being used? At least somebody is using it in some form however meager that form may be. The only thing stopping anybody from changing the tone and direction of conversation around here is the demonstrated lack of intellectual curiosity. Which I have always found rather surprising for fans of a globetrotting archeologist.
Books? Wuzza book?! I only want see Harry punch Nazees in duh face!
And I'm already aware of the irony. Thank you.
Raiders112390, you've been here for over 7 years and should well know people's disposition on the subject of Indy 4 by now. Why do you even feel the need to ask the question? Instead of remarks like the above (in your own thread), why don't you tell us about the present status of YOUR OWN FEELINGS concerning "Crystal Skull" after 6 years.Raiders112390 said:Celebrate Nolan, peasant!!!!!!!!!!
Right. Beggars can't be choosers when they get thrown a bone.Le Saboteur said:The only thing stopping anybody from changing the tone and direction of conversation around here is the demonstrated lack of intellectual curiosity. Which I have always found rather surprising for fans of a globetrotting archeologist.
Raiders112390 said:Not worthy of astounding praise, but also not worthy of the vile hate and disdain it's gotten.
Montana Smith said:Exactly.
I've never claimed to love nor hate it.
It sits in the middle. There are glimpses of former greatness, and then there are things you don't want to see because you want to bury your head in your heads.
The earlier parts of the film create a fine sense of suspense. It's greatest sin is in the failure to make anything in the later parts mean enough to maintain attention. Characterization, situations and acting don't hold up well when set against those aspects from the first three films. KOTCS feels like a film that Lucas and Spielberg had to make, rather than the one they wanted to make. That's also apparent in the insincerity of some of the acting and the characters themselves.
It has nothing to do with some supposed battle between opposing film-makers. That can't be employed as an explanation for the way some feel about Indy 4, because the explanation is within Indy 4 itself.
Take the following as an example:
Avengers was a $220,000,000 super hero movie. I was compelled to reach for the fast forward button whenever the characters stopped talking.
Kick-Ass 2 was a $28,000,000 super hero movie. I was compelled to watch it twice in quick succession.
Jeff Wadlow quipped that he made Kick-Ass 2 on the Avengers catering budget.
Huge budgets and the possibilities enabled by CGI technology don't always make for better films in my opinion.
I know we have to take inflation into account but consider the budgets for the four films:
ROTLA $18,000,000
TOD $28,000,000
TLC $48,000,000
KOTC $185,000,000
The more money there's available the more chance there is that a film will go off in directions that wouldn't have been originally considered. And the more money that's spent the more people there are that have to be pleased, running the danger of not pleasing enough of them sufficiently.
KOTCS therefore feels disingenuous. Just as the YIJC do for different reasons.
Raiders112390 said:But can you explain why you feel the YIJC is disingenuous?
While I agree with the rest of the criticism, I don't really get the bolded part. Because in YIJC, said figures were, most of the time, part of the scenery. They didn't really do nothing more than send Indy into places where he was more likely to brush shoulders with said people than not. It was not like he was hanging around in one place for the whole series, like on the stool of his regular bar and have all these celebrities just pop in for a drink due to some mystical coincidence.Montana Smith said:While it was very well made with lavish sets and big set pieces, for much of the time it doesn't feel honest towards Indy himself. There are rare occasions of real adventure. Then there are the episodes that really destroy the illusion: the Kafkaesque farce; the Halloween tale about Dracula; and the sum total of influential people he happened to encounter wherever he went. Old Indy himself had even become a figure of fun.