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Old 11-01-2013, 05:40 PM   #251
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Add me to the list of Crystal Skull lovers! It ain't perfect but it's a fun adventure film and it is so nice to see Ford in the role again, I'll take whatever we get. I've never understood the hate it gets.
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:34 PM   #252
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Every time I watch it I enjoy it more and more.
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Old 08-12-2015, 03:13 PM   #253
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With 7 years of hindsight, it was a great sequel. A B rated film in a series of A to A+'s. That doesn't make it a failure, but there was NO way an Indy 4 could've lived up to the original 3. Not with the massive amounts of hype and anticipation surrounding it. People were expecting a film that would outdo Last Crusade or even Raiders, to be something that epic. What we got was more Temple of Doom. It is a great film and works as a nice epilogue to Jones' career. If a reboot is done hopefully the creators don't go out of their way to declare KOTCS "non-canon". I don't think it deserves to be considered "one of the worst films ever made."
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Old 08-13-2015, 11:05 PM   #254
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What we got was more Temple of Doom.

Please don't compare KOTCS to the masterpiece that is Temple of Doom.
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Old 08-24-2015, 11:52 AM   #255
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I thought it was on par with Temple not sure anymore, probably the
Weakest of the 4. It's a good film, the problem is it could have been a great film.

With A few changes, George should have given Steve much more control on it, that would have made it a strong sequel!!
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Old 09-04-2015, 03:17 PM   #256
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...there was NO way an Indy 4 could've lived up to the original 3.

...What we got was more Temple of Doom.
Huh? You say that there was no way Indy 4 could've lived up to the original 3 (which I agree with) yet you imply that it's on par with "Temple of Doom"? How does that work?
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People were expecting a film that would outdo Last Crusade or even Raiders...
Who were those people? Anyone who thought Indy 4 would "outdo" Raiders must have been either incredibly naive or extremely stupid.
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Please don't compare KOTCS to the masterpiece that is Temple of Doom.
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Old 09-07-2015, 12:20 PM   #257
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Huh? You say that there was no way Indy 4 could've lived up to the original 3 (which I agree with) yet you imply that it's on par with "Temple of Doom"? How does that work?
Who were those people? Anyone who thought Indy 4 would "outdo" Raiders must have been either incredibly naive or extremely stupid.
Too right!

Meaning, like, the expectation was for something on par overall with the original three, but we got something different. When ToD came out it got flak for being different. To the extent that Spielberg made LC much more akin to Raiders to "apologize" for Temple. KOTCS to me is a film that will in time get the credit it deserves, similar to the way Temple of Doom has.

I'm sure if I was to dig around I could find people who before KOTCS came out were expecting something mega epic on par with like, Fate of Atlantis.

KOTCS and ToD are for me on the same level of quality. I thought you liked KOTCS, Stoo?
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Old 09-27-2015, 10:39 AM   #258
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Add me to the ever growing list of KOTCS fans! Yes, I realise it has it's fair share of flaws (CGI gophers, dumb Tarzan swinging vines sequence, e.t.c) but that doesn't ruin my overall enjoyment of the film. I was born in the mid-80's so I missed out on seeing any of the original trilogy on the big screen and experiencing 'Indymania' the first time round. I was 22 when KOTCS was released and the first time I saw it on the big screen with a bunch of friends (who were also Indy fans) was probably the most fun I've ever had at a movie theatre. That lovely sense of nostalgia still gets me whenever I rewatch it now over seven years later.

Unlike a lot of the film's critics I actually enjoy the sci-fi/alien (sorry, 'interdimensional beings' ) angle, I think the fact that the movie is clearly an homage to the 50's style b-movie (just as the original trilogy was an homage to the 30's style adventure serial) is a clever way of moving the franchise forward and actually works. I love lots of things about the movie - Harrison Ford's great performance as a more mature Indy, the legend of Akator and the crystal skull itself, the references to previous adventures and characters, seeing Marion again (although I do wish she had been utilised better), the epic score by John Williams and the character of Irina Spalko, who I shall reflect on in more detail in another thread.

I agree with a previous comment in this thread that said that there are plenty of KOTCS fans out there, it just sometimes doesn't feel that way because the 'haters' tend to be a lot more vocal and ... vociferous, shall we say? I, for one, immensely enjoyed this film and it's great to read this thread and find that I'm not the only one.
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Old 10-01-2015, 02:06 PM   #259
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Meaning, like, the expectation was for something on par overall with the original three, but we got something different. When ToD came out it got flak for being different. To the extent that Spielberg made LC much more akin to Raiders to "apologize" for Temple.
It's always bizarre how Indy fans born in the '90s (or later) try to matter-of-factly explain reception of the sequels as if experienced firsthand. When "Doom" came out, I don't recall the "flak for being different". It was criticized for being too violent & gory...but being different from "Raiders"?*

*That point could be argued but this isn't really the thread for it.

You wrote, "What we got was more Temple of Doom" (as if it's an automatic, universal opinion) when you probably meant "What YOU got." Apart from its sci-fi/alien angle, "Crystal Skull" is no different from "Raiders" or "Crusade". It's the same ol' bag...set by "Raiders", repeated in "Crusade" and regurgitated for "Skull".

What I'm sayin' is try to hold back on the "we" business, my friend.
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I'm sure if I was to dig around I could find people who before KOTCS came out were expecting something mega epic on par with like, Fate of Atlantis.
Sure you could dig around but you don't.

"Mega epic"? Like I said, those people were "incredibly naive or extremely stupid". Anyone who thought Indy 4 was going to live up to the original trilogy was living in a dream world. It's rare for a 4th entry in a series to equal or surpass the former output. We're talkin' naive, baby. Super Naive.

And…hey…since when was "Fate of Atlantis" part of the "original 3"?
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KOTCS and ToD are for me on the same level of quality. I thought you liked KOTCS, Stoo?
Put it his way, I don't HATE "Crystal Skull" but it's last in line, right behind "Crusade".

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Old 04-17-2016, 09:38 PM   #260
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Just wanted to bump this and see if there is anyone else besides me on here in 2016 who really enjoy(ed)s this movie?
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:08 PM   #261
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Just wanted to bump this and see if there is anyone else besides me on here in 2016 who really enjoy(ed)s this movie?
i love it..i dont over analyze things like movies "or i try not to"..ive liked it and stood up for it from day one.
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:39 PM   #262
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Just wanted to bump this and see if there is anyone else besides me on here in 2016 who really enjoy(ed)s this movie?

[half jokingly to mods]Can't we at least shut this one down? (Pale Horse's academic interests in studying evolving opinions over time be d*med)

In lieu, I suggest a KotCS support thread for the people who purport to love the film but fail to make a full disclosure that their support stems from having worked on the film or having a relative that worked on the film -- because let's face it, that's the only plausible reason for anyone to spend time trying to defend it.
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:45 AM   #263
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[half jokingly to mods]Can't we at least shut this one down? (Pale Horse's academic interests in studying evolving opinions over time be d*med)
I'm tempted, but... no. After all, he actually bumped an existing thread instead of opening a new one. It's progress, and to put him down like that could actually lead to severe regression in his condition.
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Old 04-18-2016, 03:23 AM   #264
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[half jokingly to mods]Can't we at least shut this one down? (Pale Horse's academic interests in studying evolving opinions over time be d*med)

In lieu, I suggest a KotCS support thread for the people who purport to love the film but fail to make a full disclosure that their support stems from having worked on the film or having a relative that worked on the film -- because let's face it, that's the only plausible reason for anyone to spend time trying to defend it.

My support comes from genuinely enjoying the film. I was 17 when it came out and no, I didn't work on the film or have a relative work on it. I defend it because I don't like when films are unfairly maligned. Gen Xers are very melodramatic (I.E. "George Lucas raped my childhood!")...Was KOTCs an amazing, astounding film? Far from it. Was it the ideal Indy 4? No. But was it a bad film, horrendous, Plan 9 From Outer Space Pt. II, as some act like it was? No. It was a thoroughly enjoyable B movie in a family of B movies. The only genuinely "GREAT" movie in the series is Raiders...All the other 3 are B movie action films. KOTCS sits comfortably among them. I love Indiana Jones, but I don't take the movies that seriously, and I didn't grow up in the '80s, so I don't let nostalgia blind me a good - not great, not horrible - film.
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Old 04-19-2016, 03:39 AM   #265
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I love the movie! I grew up with the originals and I love them. They are a very important movies in my life, they have inspired me much. But I don't consider fair the treat to Indy 4 on the majority of the net.

As for me, I enjoyed the film, I clapped, I laughed, I was thrilled and I felt sensations I thought were lost in the cinema world. Sure the film is not like the others (I think it doesn't pretend either). And sure the film is not as perfect as the others and it has some up and downs along the minutes... but... anyway, the good weights much more than the bad for me. I think Harrison was wonderful, I love the Area 51 sequence and I really enjoy this film every time I see it. I prefer have this movie than not to have it. I'm really glad with what Indy 4 was.
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Old 04-29-2016, 08:54 AM   #266
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Isn't it funny how people go to movie theaters and have completely different experiences? This is why it's really hard to definitively label any movie as "good" or "bad"- as Albert Einstein said, it's all relative!
Some people like the movie and some people LOVE the movie. Some people dislike the movie and some people HATE the movie.
And then you have some that are a mixture- I liked parts, but disliked other parts. I loved parts, but hated other parts. And so forth.
For the record, I personally LOVE "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull"- just as I LOVE "Raiders of the Lost Ark", "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" and "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade". They have ALL been great movies! (in my opinion, of course.)
And yes- I can't wait to LOVE the 5th. Indy movie too.
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Old 06-16-2016, 11:11 AM   #267
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I'm just gonna drop my name in here, too. I've always enjoyed Crystal Skull, saw it four times in the cinema, and I've never fully understood why it takes quite so much flak. It's far from a perfect film - I hate the vine swinging and quicksand scenes in particular - but overall I think it's fun and I always really enjoy it. It sits somewhere ahead of Temple of Doom and well behind Last Crusade in my personal ranking of the films.
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Old 06-29-2016, 04:11 PM   #268
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I enjoyed the movie the first few times I saw it in theaters. It doesn't have the same rewatchability as the originals but the first 30-45 minutes of the movie are classic Indy. Just wish the rest of the movie was like that.
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Old 08-09-2016, 02:51 PM   #269
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I still think this film is a blast. I saw it five times in theaters and have watched it a dozen more times at home. I watched it again last night and I still think it's a solid film. It has some flaws and there are definitely some things I would have cut or done differently, but the pros far outweigh the cons for me. I'm glad to see that so many other fans love it as well!
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Old 08-10-2016, 12:19 AM   #270
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Still my 2nd favorite of the series.

It doesn't come close to Raiders - none of the sequels do. Let me be clear on that. This franchise has one classic and three solid follow ups, as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:54 AM   #271
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This is my little review on KOTCS.

For starters, I don't hate it. Let's be clear on that one but it doesn't live up to Raiders, Temple or LC. Can't say I love it but I like it to certain extend. I've done some reading and I've read the things that bothered me as well. And I have to admit the movie starts with a blast and is well paced for at least half of the time, maybe even 60% of the movie. But the last half hour, forty minutes, the movie starts to sputter terribly and just can't recover. From the moment Indy and Mutt are captured and brought deeper into the jungle, the movie takes a nosedive.

The whole scene in the camp when we finally reunite with Marion and Ox was pretty good. One greatly missed opportunity for a nod to Raiders was that I expected Marion would hit Indy. As a nod to Raiders and to show that Marion was still as feisty as she was in Raiders.

I liked the fact that Indy was working with the Russians no matter how that may have seemed in the 50's. There seemed to be a certain respect between him and Spalko which we can't deny. And despite his capture Indy didn't seem worried at all. Maybe this is just the age and experience from all his adventures. I just can't help but think everything was more exciting during the 30's and 40's and that if you survived World War II, you're not easily impressed anymore. Things just looked a little darker in the first three movies when he was captured. Nazis opening the ark, not knowing what to expect. Mola Ram making him drink blood after he saw the sacrifice and abused children or Elsa's betrayal. After all the Russians were dancing at the campfire. I can't see Nazis or Thuggees doing the same. Anyway, I think Mutt ruins the scene with an unnecessary escape attempt which fails fantastically. A little highlight was Marion saying Mutt's name was Henry and that Indy thought it was a good name. And I'm sure there was a better way to bring in Indy's slithering friend into a scene.

The jungle chase... honestly. The truck chase, the mine carts, the tank, those were the days. The jungle chase doesn't even get to the heels of those scenes. The tank battle has great minor humoristic moments. I think it's a lot funnier to shoot three guys with one bullet and have this WTF moment than trying to balance between two cars and getting bushes and branches in your nuts. Marion also seem to get branches in her face for no reason at all. It's not funny, sorry. And I'm not getting started on Mutt's monkey swing. If they kept out that and the 'funny' moments and really tried to make this scene as exciting as the truck chase or the mine carts or the tank, the movie would've been better. And I can understand that great vehicle scene was shorter, the track hardly last 4,5 minutes compared to the 8-10 minutes of the truck or the tank scenes, because it might be too physically demanding for Ford. I did notice a certain absense first time I saw it.

I'm actually really glad there was the final fight between Indy and Dovchenko. It was a great highlight in the suffering last part of the movie. And to be honest, despite Harrison's aging, I like to address something here. As long he can do fight scenes, I'm good with an older Indy. I'd rather see him engage in a fight than in long foot chases. And yes, Dovchenko has a cool death moment.

Than the movie sputters to the next great scene when they reach the top of the pyramid and find their way in. The whole alien (interdimensional being) thing was well maybe a little anti-climatic. But I can understand the interest in it. It were the 50's after all and sci-fi was getting popular in the movies at the time. Maybe it was the next step, I don't know. I always had the idea, people learned their lessons after World War II. Before that, the occult or Biblical matters seemed to reign at the time. It's just this thing that I always wondered that once the war was over everything seemed to calm down and adventures like Raiders or ToD and LC just seemed like wild stories. Even in Indy's world. People who die horrible deaths; melting faces, aging rapidly over fortune and glory and that evil forces like the Third Reich would take over the world because they're meddling with powers beyond their imagination... Maybe there was just more mystery to the world before and during the war.

Now if they at least skipped the unnecessary escape attempt and took out the humor in the jungle chase the movie would've been a lot better. Just one more thing... Mac constantly switching sides didn't do the movie any good either. Either he's a good guy turned bad or he's just a bad guy. But the constant switching was distracting and didn't help the movie either. Or he should've switched back to good in the tent as double agent but, triple agent is a little much.

Conclusion: despite a poor last half hour to forty minutes the movie is enjoyable. I do admit I watched the movie twice at the theatres during the release. And yes, I would watch it again but for a whole other reason than Indy and that is Cate Blanchett, because in the last part of the movie I had the idea she was the only one who kept the movie going in my opinion. That's what I understand why Irina Spalko seems so intriguing as a villain. It's still a little hard to give a her a place in the top 4. But as far as I'm concerned she and the movie deserves a well deserved fourth place.

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