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Old 11-23-2003, 04:17 PM   #51
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I never knew Farmer Giles was in the Bible. Amazing what you find out around here...
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Old 11-23-2003, 10:44 PM   #52
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I never knew Farmer Giles was in the Bible. Amazing what you find out around here...

Not familiar with Farmer Giles, but it wouldn't shock me in the least. By the way, your signature line is hilarious. Where'd it come from?
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Old 11-23-2003, 10:49 PM   #53
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to venture--->

"Pirates of the Carob-bean: Curse of the plaque burl"

(damn, I am too clever sometimes)

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Old 11-23-2003, 10:52 PM   #54
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"Pirates of the Carob-bean: The plaque burl"

(damn, I am too clever sometimes)

Dude, clever doesn't touch it...YOU DA MAN!!!!!
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Old 11-24-2003, 10:51 AM   #55
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Re: to venture--->

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"Pirates of the Carob-bean: Curse of the plaque burl"

(damn, I am too clever sometimes)

[Edited by apalehorse on 11-23-2003 at 10:53 pm]
The moonlight shows us for who we really are!
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Old 11-24-2003, 02:49 PM   #56
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Re: Re: to venture--->

[quote]Originally posted by Aaron H
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The moonlight shows us for who we really are!


Do you get squishy and skeletal or wild and wooly? Personally, I have enough hirsutism to not have to deal with any lunar influence, thank you very much!
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Old 11-25-2003, 07:36 AM   #57
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Well, i don't think the Arc is on this earth... Perhaps it's... it's....
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Old 11-25-2003, 07:04 PM   #58
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Well, i don't think the Arc is on this earth... Perhaps it's... it's....

What are you trying to do, merancapeman, keep us on topic? But, in response, read Revelation 11:19 and tell me if you think it refers to a temple in heaven or on earth.
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Old 11-26-2003, 09:29 PM   #59
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Just finished watching a special on the Ark, and one of the things they covered was the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem. The God-sanctioned instruments have been constructed, several million dollars have been set aside or its construction, the Levitical priesthood has been reestablished to perform the sacrifices. When Grant Jeffrey, a biblical archaeologist, asked the rabbis about the Ark, the only response he got was, "The Ark is in Israel." Pretty interesting stuff, eh?
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Old 11-28-2003, 03:39 PM   #60
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Cain re: Rev. 11:19

My understanding is that this passage deals with the period after (the much argued details of) the tribulation of seven years called the Millennium, where 1000 years of peace precedes the the battle of Armageddon. At that time the cross as a means of atonement will no longer have the same ramifications that it has today. The ark will again serve the same purpose it was designed for prior to sactification. Based on that arguement, I would say it is still on the earth (since I find it difficult to believe that it would be destroyed, only to be recreated).

I believe in the 77 feet theroy.
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Old 11-28-2003, 10:53 PM   #61
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I believe in the 77 feet theroy.

By that, I assume you mean the theory that places the Ark in the Chamber of Solomon, below the Temple Mount. That's the theory I'm starting to gravitate toward myself.

As to the cross, what's done cannot be undone. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by Me." Just because the Jews reestablish the sacrifices and temple worship doesn't mean it has godly pertinence. I'm done preaching now.
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Old 11-29-2003, 12:09 PM   #62
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True, but doesn't the passage deal with the reestablishment of the process of atonement through sacrifice? (there can be none at the cross after the second coming.) Therefore the ark, as interpreted, becomes the mediator during the 1000 years. It is, for lack of a better term, the radio for talking to God.
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Old 11-29-2003, 11:06 PM   #63
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No, during the millenium God, as Lord Jesus, will be with man on Earth. At the end of the thousand-year reign there's one more row with Satan, who is then cast into the lake of fire for all eternity. After that, the Father Himself comes to Earth to live with us forever.

As to the sacrifices, the tribulation period is the last seven years of the Jewish nation spoken of by Daniel (Dan. 9:24-27). By then, the time of the Gentiles is complete, and that "week" (lit. in Hebrew a "seven" or seven-year period) is the time when 144,000 Jewish witnesses will go about converting the Jews to Christianity. The whole while, the Jewish nation will have rebuilt the Temple and reinstituted their religious practices (i.e. the Ark-oriented sacrifices). Just because they do it doesn't make it an acceptable atonement. Paul went around chastising them for adhering to those practices his whole ministry.

I hope this answered some of your questions...if not, just consider it Venture pontificating again.
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Old 11-30-2003, 10:25 PM   #64
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What, then, is your understanding of how the Ark is to be used during that time, if you don't mind me asking?
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Old 11-30-2003, 10:29 PM   #65
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If you mean in the time of the Tribulation, it will be used for the Temple sacrifices. And it's on the mercy seat of the Ark that the Antichrist will seat himself, claiming that he is God. With the Presence of God in His people now, and not in the Ark, this is possible without killing a man. If you mean in the Millenial Reign, I don't know what use, if any, it will serve.
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Old 11-30-2003, 10:34 PM   #66
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If you mean in the time of the Tribulation, it will be used for the Temple sacrifices. And it's on the mercy seat of the Ark that the Antichrist will seat himself, claiming that he is God.

Given some of our recent e-mails concerning the Antichrist, this is quite interesting. BTW, do have the reference handy for the above, (or are you going to make me do my homework)



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Old 11-30-2003, 10:51 PM   #67
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Your servant, sir.

II Thessalonians 2:3,4-"Let no man decieve you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God."

You could also read Revelation 13:1-18, as this refers to the brief period when the Antichrist tries to portray himself as God. "...he as God sitteth in the temple og God..." is what leads me to believe he'll occupy the mercy seat, as this is where the Presence of God manifested in the temple. I also believe that this incident is the "abomination of desolation" spoken of by Daniel and mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24.

And to what e-mails are you referring, my dear Thanatos?
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Old 11-30-2003, 10:55 PM   #68
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the one about the movie I am working on, concerning the scientific work within the church...
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Old 11-30-2003, 11:04 PM   #69
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Was that passage of Scripture helpful? I only recently began to believe that the Ark was still on Earth, and that caused the realization that it was a necessary part of Judaic ritual pertaining to the temple. Of course, they got along without in the time of Jesus...one of the reasons I believe the veil in the temple split was to reveal to the Jews that God no longer abode in a "house made by hands."
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Old 12-01-2003, 09:33 AM   #70
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"At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom." (Matthew 27:51)
"That moment" is the time of the death of Jesus. When he died the curtain, dividing the Holy of Holies from the rest of the Temple, tore thus signifying that all of mankind could talk to God without need of a gold box.
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Old 12-01-2003, 10:09 AM   #71
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Here, here!!! The Ark would be little more than a novelty item...unless you count it's archaeological signficance, in which case it's priceless. "Vanity of vanities" in the long run, if you ask The Preacher. Still, I'd like to be the one to find it...
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Old 12-01-2003, 10:12 AM   #72
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Then why have it return? If it is not something that provides a connection with God, why would it return. It seems that would provide a area for misdirection...
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Old 12-01-2003, 10:31 AM   #73
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God prophesied the return of the Ark, He did not commend it. Since the Lord's resurrection, He has never intended any other means of communication with His people. He prophesied the coming Antichrist, but He isn't the One to make it happen. That's the trick in Biblical interpretation, figuring out what God caused, causes, or will cause, and what He is warning us will come. The key is realizing that God is a good God who doesn't inflict pain, that His wrath was intended for Satan and that Satan tricked man into getting between him and God's wrath. As well, God doesn't change His mind concerning the Way to Him. Not to sound narrow-minded, but that Way, according to the Bible, is Jesus, end of story.
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Old 12-01-2003, 03:25 PM   #74
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Remember that the Judaic belief is that Jesus was not the Messiah, so the Ark and their rules of living still apply. Whereas, Christians belive that Jesus was the Messiah, and the old ways are, just that, old and no longer apply. To a Christian and to non-Jews, the Ark is a great archaeological artifact, but nothing more then that. To a Jew it is vital to the core of their belief system.
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Old 12-02-2003, 10:02 PM   #75
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Actually, the "old ways" aren't considered obsolete. In fact, they established the system that Christianity stands on. It's interesting to note that you can't really claim an in-depth knowledge of Christianity without at least a working knowledge of Judaism. The parallels are fascinating. God keeps His "types and shadows." There's a school of thought called the "Solomon Principle" that would make for good conversation, if I can figure out a way to apply it to topic.
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