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Old 05-28-2008, 07:23 PM   #1
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Should've been more like National Treasure or The Da Vinci Code

I think the storylines for both "National Treasure" (the first one) and "The Da Vinci Code" were far better and had more of an Indiana Jones feel to it then this new sequel.
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Old 05-28-2008, 07:30 PM   #2
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No, in National Treasure, they explain everything WAY too easy.
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:47 PM   #3
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National Treasure was only slightly more watchable than Tomb Raider, and the Da Vinci code was one of the worst book to film movies I've ever seen. This film was much better than all of those.
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Old 05-28-2008, 10:20 PM   #4
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I think the storylines for both "National Treasure" (the first one) and "The Da Vinci Code" were far better and had more of an Indiana Jones feel to it then this new sequel.

Both of those were caricatures of Indiana Jones!

Its very frustrating to me that so many fans would have rather had a derivative
storyline. One that tried to copy the early films. So it felt safe and comfortable.
Like a mother who cut's her kids food in really small pieces even as a teen.

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Old 05-28-2008, 10:34 PM   #5
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I think the storylines for both "National Treasure" (the first one) and "The Da Vinci Code" were far better and had more of an Indiana Jones feel to it then this new sequel.



And I didnt even think Indy 4 was all that great too. Yikes!
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Old 05-29-2008, 01:03 AM   #6
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I think the storylines for both "National Treasure" (the first one) and "The Da Vinci Code" were far better and had more of an Indiana Jones feel to it then this new sequel.

Funny, in one of my comments on this message board or IMDB I said I thought this film was too MUCH like National Treasure. I think it was the way everything was rushed in the last half of the movie.
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Old 05-29-2008, 01:14 AM   #7
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Both of those were caricatures of Indiana Jones!

Its very frustrating to me that so many fans would have rather had a derivative
storyline. One that tried to copy the early films. So it felt safe and comfortable.
Like a mother who cut's her kids food in really small pieces even as a teen.

Crystal Skull was a charicature of Indiana Jones, derivative storyline that felt safe and comfortable with no danger or suspense... like a mother who cuts her kids' food into really small pieces.
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Old 05-29-2008, 01:22 AM   #8
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Utter and Complete Blasphemy. Nuff Said.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:16 AM   #9
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Both of those were caricatures of Indiana Jones!

Its very frustrating to me that so many fans would have rather had a derivative
storyline. One that tried to copy the early films. So it felt safe and comfortable.
Like a mother who cut's her kids food in really small pieces even as a teen.

Temple of Doom was very different from Raiders, but kept a distinctively Indy feel. KOTCS feels nothing like an Indy film, it feels like the 'Epic Movie' version of Indy instead of a real Indy film.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:22 AM   #10
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Temple of Doom was very different from Raiders, but kept a distinctively Indy feel. KOTCS feels nothing like an Indy film, it feels like the 'Epic Movie' version of Indy instead of a real Indy film.

Hopefully no movie producers out there will read this or you will give them an idea for next year's February spoof release Adventure Movie.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:24 AM   #11
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Hopefully no movie producers out there will read this or you will give them an idea for next year's February spoof release Adventure Movie.

All they have to do is re-title Kingdom of the Crystal Skull since it pretty much spoofs itself.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:33 AM   #12
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Temple of Doom was very different from Raiders, but kept a distinctively Indy feel. KOTCS feels nothing like an Indy film, it feels like the 'Epic Movie' version of Indy instead of a real Indy film.

Your completely contradicting yourself! How was ToD very different from Raiders "But Still Indy like" but KotCS not?? Each film in the series has some similarities to what has come before but many more differences. All there was to judge a Indy film by before ToD was Raiders. By the "Raiders style" ToD was not "Indy like" either! But they wisely expanded what was possible for the character with each film. Thats what is great about Indiana Jones. Variety. Otherwise we would have seen -

Raiders II and Raiders III and Raiders IV!

Like many other movie series.



Some of you think that if you repeat these vague, meaningless attacks at the movie over and over gain - They will become facts! But you forget that there are people who are going to challenge your nonsense.

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Old 05-29-2008, 10:01 AM   #13
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Crystal Skull was a charicature of Indiana Jones, derivative storyline that felt safe and comfortable with no danger or suspense... like a mother who cuts her kids' food into really small pieces.
Man, the metaphors are getting very shaky in here...yikes!

BTW it is a good idea to cut your child's food into small pieces to reduce the choking hazard.
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:04 AM   #14
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Just don't get mix up the kids and the food when chopping things into small pieces.
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:07 AM   #15
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Both of those were caricatures of Indiana Jones!

Its very frustrating to me that so many fans would have rather had a derivative
storyline. One that tried to copy the early films. So it felt safe and comfortable.
Like a mother who cut's her kids food in really small pieces even as a teen.

You put that so well. I agree 100%
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:34 AM   #16
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Skull felt exactly like an Indiana Jones movie to me.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:38 AM   #17
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I think the storylines for both "National Treasure" (the first one) and "The Da Vinci Code" were far better and had more of an Indiana Jones feel to it then this new sequel.
NATIONAL TREASURE was awful, and THE DA VINCI CODE gave new meaning to "tedium."
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:27 PM   #18
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Its very frustrating to me that so many fans would have rather had a derivative
storyline. One that tried to copy the early films. So it felt safe and comfortable.
Like a mother who cut's her kids food in really small pieces even as a teen.

I agree. I'm surprised at how many people just wanted a trip down memory lane as oppossed to a new & different Indiana Jones adventure.
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:28 PM   #19
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I wanted an Indiana Jones adventure, not the X-Files.
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:40 PM   #20
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It's funny because when most fans see a film like "National Treasure" they say it's a lame rip-off of Indy. Now there fans asking for Indy to be like his lame rip-off counterparts!
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:44 PM   #21
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It's funny because when most fans see a film like "National Treasure" they say it's a lame rip-off of Indy. Now there fans asking for Indy to be like his lame rip-off counterparts!

Sad isn't it? When a lame Indy ripoff is better than the movie it rips off you know it's a shambles.
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:47 PM   #22
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For Petes sakes. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull urinates all over National Treasure and The Da Vinci Code from a great height.
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Old 05-29-2008, 04:20 PM   #23
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For Petes sakes. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull urinates all over National Treasure and The Da Vinci Code from a great height.
Thank you. Really, this is getting ridiculous. Anyone who thinks National Treasure or The Da Vinci Code is better than KotCS needs to get a life. Even if you didn't like the movie, it was in no way that bad, so stop whining, sulking and moaning and get over it.
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:33 PM   #24
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Your completely contradicting yourself! How was ToD very different from Raiders "But Still Indy like" but KotCS not?? Each film in the series has some similarities to what has come before but many more differences. All there was to judge a Indy film by before ToD was Raiders. By the "Raiders style" ToD was not "Indy like" either! But they wisely expanded what was possible for the character with each film. Thats what is great about Indiana Jones. Variety. Otherwise we would have seen -

Raiders II and Raiders III and Raiders IV!

Like many other movie series.



Some of you think that if you repeat these vague, meaningless attacks at the movie over and over gain - They will become facts! But you forget that there are people who are going to challenge your nonsense.

ToD continued Raiders' spirit of adventure, danger, exotic locales, and high peril. KOTCS is a parody of the original trilogy.
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I've been reading the 2005 Dan Brown Witness Statement from the Random House trial brought forth by the Holy Blood, Holy Grail authors (they lost). Excellent insight into crafting an adventure story. Brown created a character (named after the claimants) to make Langdon more of a fence sitter, in the film he was even more so an Indyesque skeptic:
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I needed to create a character who could say some of the more farfetched and controversial things that I initially had Langdon saying. I wanted to preserve the integrity of my protagonist. I wanted Langdon to be able to stand back, raise questions and play devil's advocate a little, and also fill in some history.
In the Indy 4 scripts, the alien reveal was presented earlier and later before landing in the middle. Partway through writing, Brown removed most of the masonic elements for another book, but passed on aliens:
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Rule by Secrecy was published in 2000, and The Secret Teachings of All Ages in October 2003. My recollection is that I read Rule by Secrecy in Conway one summer and liked it a lot, but hated the conclusion about aliens, which I thought was somewhat silly.
His books are rather formulaic: "a murder, a chase through foreign locations, the action taking place all in 24 hours, a code a ticking clock, strong male and female characters, and a love interest." But "the hard part of writing a novel is not the ideas but rather the nuts and bolts of the plot and language and making it all work."
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One challenge when presenting the reader with a complicated code is to control the flow of information so the overall mystery is not overwhelming. Finding a plot device that enables me to dole out information in bite size pieces is helpful.
Especially in film, you need a subordinate to receive this information...
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One of my favourite ways in which to share information with a reader is to have Langdon give an "academic lecture" on the topic.
And that's where Shia comes in. Most were spoiled before viewing Crystal Skull, but the lectures hold up pretty well in retrospect or to the uninitiated.
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