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Niteshade007 said:I have to disagree with some of what you are saying.
For starters, expecting a movie of the caliber of the trilogy isn't really the fault of the viewer. If the other three were good quality products, I would hope that the fourth would be as well. A lot of people (myself included) did not feel it was the same quality of film. I didn't want a rehash of Raiders, I feel we covered that with Last Crusade. If anything, I feel we got a watered down version of Last Crusade, and that's already the watered down version of Raiders. I don't care much for Crusade, so perhaps that contributed to my overall dislike of the film. I definitely wouldn't say I hated the film. I enjoyed myself a great deal, but I don't think it lived up the sequel and the prequel, which I already feel don't live up to Raiders.
I think the major problem with the alien is that it is part of such a different genre. Sci-fi is a huge genre that both Lucas and Spielberg are known for. The Indiana Jones films are three films that have not gone into that genre, or really strayed from "adventure." So for the new one to go into something completely different from what we come to expect is a little surprising. The fact that it wasn't done well makes it all the more disappointing.
I honestly don't mind CGI. I think it makes sense to use CGI in the film. It's 2008, why the hell not? However, some of it looks pretty bad, and it takes the viewer out of the movie watching experience. Some of the jungle scenes in particular stand out to me. And when they used doubles for the actors and performed actual stunts, they probably should have hired someone who looked a bit more like Shia. That really took away from the movie, because you can tell it's not him on the motorcycle or straddling the cars.
And of course there are lots of things that contributed to people not liking the movie, all of them discussed at length in other threads.
I see what you're saying.
But see, you refer to 'Kingdom' as a watered down 'Crusade' which was a watered down 'Raiders.'
So if people were going into 'Kingdom' expecting anything more then that, then it would be their own fault.
And with as much apparent disappointment in the film as I'm seeing, then there's no way that people didn't go into 'Kingdom' expecting it to be something that it just wasn't know?
And the CG didn't bother me either. I just personally like tangible visual effects. They may seem dated on many occasions, but there's an honesty and a weight to them that I really admire...especially since doing a VFX film back then was a totally different story then today.