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Old 01-12-2017, 10:13 AM   #126
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Disney Hit Two Grand Slams Right Out Of The Park!

After seeing RO twice so far I rate it slightly below TFA but Disney has hit huge grand slams out of the park for me right up there with the OT way better then the prequels and I enjoyed the prequels but Disney's first two star wars films were what we have all been waiting for since Return Of The Jedi ended!!!
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:35 AM   #127
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After seeing RO twice so far I rate it slightly below TFA but Disney has hit huge grand slams out of the park for me right up there with the OT way better then the prequels and I enjoyed the prequels but Disney's first two star wars films were what we have all been waiting for since Return Of The Jedi ended!!!
Agree with that, I think they've managed to recapture the spirit of the originals.
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Old 06-02-2017, 02:36 PM   #128
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“Knoll’s very first story treatment for Rogue One was titled Destroyer of Worlds,” Hidalgo says, “which is from Hindu scripture, but Oppenheimer used it to describe his reaction to nuclear weapons development.”

With Edwards in the director’s chair on Rogue One, the production’s codename would be “Los Alamos,” appropriately borrowed from the town in New Mexico where the Manhattan Project was based.

References to films like The Guns of Navarone (1961) and Where Eagles Dare (1968) would be thrown around the story table during pre-production on “Los Alamos.”
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Old 06-03-2017, 01:07 PM   #129
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I thought it handled the pseudo-nuclear destruction scenes rather well; it's been interesting how these latter day installments spend more time on showing the devastation and destruction of those on the ground during a Death Star strike, though I'd argue that Rogue One's more localized take plays more meaningfully, in operating on a more comprehensible and personalized scale than Force Awakens dozen-o'-planets approach.
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Old 06-03-2017, 04:04 PM   #130
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I thought it handled the pseudo-nuclear destruction scenes rather well; it's been interesting how these latter day installments spend more time on showing the devastation and destruction of those on the ground during a Death Star strike, though I'd argue that Rogue One's more localized take plays more meaningfully, in operating on a more comprehensible and personalized scale than Force Awakens dozen-o'-planets approach.

I think the main reason the two new films focus more on the super weapons effects on the ground has to do with superior technology which would have been impossible to do when the original film was created.
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Old 06-04-2017, 08:13 PM   #131
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I think the main reason the two new films focus more on the super weapons effects on the ground has to do with superior technology which would have been impossible to do when the original film was created.

It's a reason, but I don't know whether it might be thought primary, at least in the case of Rogue One, a product of a director who has previously shown an interest in bleak images of vast devastation.
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:24 PM   #132
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It's a reason, but I don't know whether it might be thought primary, at least in the case of Rogue One, a product of a director who has previously shown an interest in bleak images of vast devastation.
I think if Lucas had been making the original film during an era where he had CGI in his arsenal, there is a good chance he would have given us a sequence from the point of view of the people on Alderaan as we saw in the most recent two films. I haven't seen any of Gareth Edwards other work in their entirety, but Rogue One had to focus on this even more than George Lucas or JJ Abrams did because this is the first time that the main characters were the victims, so it was more critical to the story. Edwards previous film was Gozilla, so destruction on the ground in that case is obligatory.

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Old 08-10-2017, 09:33 PM   #133
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Redemption and the unlikely hero theme

I concur that I liked Rogue One in a way far exceeding The Force Awakens for various reasons.

First of: hats of to the likely previously unknown screenplay talent of Senior Visual Effects expert / engineer John Knoll - who has been for a long, long time with the LucasFilm family. He essentially scripted the story and Kathleen Kennedy and the other producers understood that, if well refined, this would turn out a gem with a full cast.

It took me a while to work into and 'embrace' the character of Cassian Andor as Diego Luna's still-Spanish accent was quite apparent during his dialogues... but okay I figured so why didn't I flinch with the very Mid-Atlantic sounding actors (think Grand Moff Tarkin) in a movie with generally American English accents...

POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT BEYOND THIS POINT (!)





Key reason why I loved this movie even after a second and third screening was that I fully understood the effort put into making an "unlikely" story about Rebel heroes who basically couldn't anticipate the events they would be forced into. The theme of the unlikely hero (and quest for one's destiny) traces directly back to Luke Skywalker, the restless social castaway on remote planet Tatooine, whose destiny is completely reshaped by... two droids

Here, the key heroine, Jyn Erso, is at first a degraded fellon whose future isn't looking auspicious in a forced labour facility. However she is set to redeem (all) her misdeeds by volunteering in a mission which in fact puts the survival of the Rebels at stake. As for critics claiming that a story about the unlikely hero's redemption, fight(s), struggles and ultimate sacrifice being "a classic Leitmotif", well maybe so but it's brought in a very very Star Wars kind of way that is very likeable.

To nourish the idea of atonement into that larger-than-life finding of purpose, and ultimately, sacrifice - tied to the remembrance of a "stolen" (and heavily distorted) father-daughter relationship may not have been easy, but I think it stuck. That finding a new purpose was an uncertain journey for Jyn (and maybe some of her companions), for the sake of stacking up the odds and hold on to hope that the strategically weak Rebels would thrive in mythically defeating the biggest menace the galaxy is facing (Death Star)...

To be fair, given the resources the Rebellion seemed to have to commit to the dangerous, tragic battle and intel exfiltration, the odds were indeed stacked high against BUT that is exactly why their ultimate coordinated accomplishment grows into an epic and yes, mythical scale.

Giacchino's score (nailed in a racing 4,5 weeks timeframe!) was a brimstone that helped dramatize the scenes. I actually cringed in the Rebel bomber attack scene on Eadu, a breakpoint because of (a) Galen's death and (b) Jyn's obvious anger over being played / tricked by the Rebels and sacrifice her father, an Imperial collaborator (however reluctant), for a greater purpose.

All the way through from Jyn and Cassian uploading the schematics through the antenna tower on Scarif up to the very final scene, I felt overwhelmed the first time with an almost metaphysical understanding that "all this, it's all supposed to be *this* way" - for their story to end there - even though it's *so* bloody tragic, it's... the 'legacy force' (of the first trilogy?) and process of making the brave Rebels on Scarif and its planetary orbit, finding their way into immortal Star Wars lore as legends.

I specifically read as little as I could in order to dodge hypothesis about plot, endings etc. but only knew the basic outlines (hunt for the Death Star plans, and would involve Tarkin, Mon Mothma and likely General Dodonna at some point). Once that just-in-time Rebel trooper grabbed the disc and shut off the corridor door, the roll-up to the plot of Episode IV was like an acceptance bridge into the true canon and lore of the original trilogy.

One criticism perhaps: who the hell lands their shuttle so far away in a flat barren plain, fully knowing that their targets (the Erso family) are pretty much defenceless... and make a long walk up to meet them? That's the only side rant I'd be able to come up with
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:40 AM   #134
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I've watched it a number of times at home and I'm finding it to be one of my biggest "go-to" movies when I'm in the mood to watch something and can't decide what to watch. Every time I see it I like it more and more, catching little things I missed and becoming more invested in the characters. I think it helps that it's a stand-alone film and at this point I'd rank it 4th. It's the gritty war film that Episode III should have been.

A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones

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