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Old 10-26-2016, 12:22 PM   #651
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This can't be done with Indy. In Star Wars Han Solo, inspite of his first billing, was a character helping the main (new) leads, in Indy he is the leading character.

It already started happening with KOTCS...Mutt initiated the escape from the Russians after they were first captured...and he was the dominant action character in the jungle chase. I'm not saying Indy won't be the central figure/leading character.
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Old 10-26-2016, 01:39 PM   #652
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It's kinda funny how people tend to forget that Ford's Indy actually has been in the snow three times already: ROTLA, TOD and MOTB.

I know I know, you're talking about snow playing a bigger role for the story, but I thought this should be pointed out nevertheless.
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MOTB.

For the life of me, I don't know what MOTB is.
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That would be Mystery of the Blues.

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That would be Mystery of the Blues.


I'm surprised he agreed to do TV, even if it was for just one episode. How long was he in the episode for?
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I'm surprised he agreed to do TV, even if it was for just one episode. How long was he in the episode for?
The two bookends he appears in last for about five minutes total. Majority of the episode still belongs to SPF.
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A little more of that Koepp interview:
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Youíve worked with Spielberg a number of times including now, has he changed at all as a collaborator over his career or is he still the guy that you were working with back on Jurassic Park?

KOEPP: That was about 23 years ago, so weíre both older. But, no, heís the same guy in that the fun part is making them up, thatís the fun part. Rewrites I can take or leave, but the making it up part is the jazz. And whatís nice about Steven is he really views kicking around the story as the world is alive with possibility, rather than the way a lot of people view it as all so confusing and lame. Thereís two kinds of collaborators, the ones that tell you everything doesnít work and the ones who try to make stuff actually work. And he will run with almost any idea you throw out there, you may run with it a then both realize itís not that difficult. Heís a very positive inventor, heís a very constructive collaborator instead of a destructive one.
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I really love Spielberg's way of looking at things. It sounds like he really enjoys the creative process (of the story) almost more than anything. I can relate to that. I just hope for Indy 5 they really get crazy and let their imaginations run wild and don't hamper themselves by what's "not realistic" or "cost effective." Let's go out with a bang!

Who do you guys think Spielberg will hire as cinematographer?
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I think the ones like Spielberg are the greatest. He seems like a we'll-figure-it-out-kinda-guy and corporates everyone's ideas in his film no matter how small it is.
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I'm wondering what they could possible use as the McGuffin that could possibly come close to the Ark or the Holy Grail? Perhaps they'll go for something more like in ToD, where it's important, but it's not on the same level as the other two.

But what religion should it be? We have Hinduism, Judaism, and Christianity. I wouldn't mind if they did something with Buddism, but realistically, would they even go there knowing how sensitive China is, and risk China not showing the film? Probably not. Though, this is a two sided coin, because if they make the McGuffin Buddism-related and make a number of the cast Chinese, they may have an in there.

I for one desperately want to see Short Round again. Preferably in more than just a cameo. With a Buddism-based McGuffin, it would be the most perfect opportunity to bring him back
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People speak about a desire to see Indy during WWII. I personally don't. We already know Jones' history going back to 1908. We know about his WWI era activities. The 1920s-early 1930s and 1940s are the blank spaces. I wouldn't mind exploring the 1920s-1930s...But I think WWII should remain a mystery. We know he was working for OSS during the War but...the adventures shown probably wouldn't live up to the ones we'd create in our minds.
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People speak about a desire to see Indy during WWII. I personally don't. We already know Jones' history going back to 1908. We know about his WWI era activities. The 1920s-early 1930s and 1940s are the blank spaces. I wouldn't mind exploring the 1920s-1930s...But I think WWII should remain a mystery. We know he was working for OSS during the War but...the adventures shown probably wouldn't live up to the ones we'd create in our minds.

I don't see how they could do WWII unless it's with reboot Indy.
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People speak about a desire to see Indy during WWII. I personally don't. We already know Jones' history going back to 1908. We know about his WWI era activities. The 1920s-early 1930s and 1940s are the blank spaces. I wouldn't mind exploring the 1920s-1930s...But I think WWII should remain a mystery. We know he was working for OSS during the War but...the adventures shown probably wouldn't live up to the ones we'd create in our minds.

WW2 is enough of a mystery. I reckon some great IJ stories could come out of WW2 settings. With WW2 you already have intrigue, international adventures, academic and political potentials. A WW2-IJ movie can take heaps of license and embellish whatever official historical narrative and add the supernatural/military/academic/political/adventuring elements it needs.

WW2 would be a great backdrop.
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I'm still in favor of WWII. There is just something about that time, I really like but that I can't explain. Despite it's been a terrible war, I think it's one of the most romantic times. The Nazis were just such an evil force that in the end it really had to be all or nothing in that war. We just couldn't afford to lose that war or else we wouldn't have had the world we have now. The war is always a great backdrop because the stakes were never higher than back than.

Those 19 years without Indy films was just way too long. There was plenty of time to a fourth and fifth movie in the 90's and set them during the war.

There's plenty of reasons why it can still work. It just depends on how you do it. And there are plenty of ways to get them in the story. Again I refer to Dinosaur Eggs. The Nazis just made a cameo there, while in other books they are the main villains. And actually that's why I wanna read the books set in the war again. To me they are the ultimate evil. We can't even imagine what the world would be like if they won that war. And above all, I don't think there is anything the Nazis didn't do. I think you might be surprised how much of research leads back to World War II. And not only that but I was thinking a few days ago about the movie Antman. Even though it was CGI, they did manage to make Michael Douglas convincingly twenty-five years younger. So maybe that can help. Make Harrison 25-years younger or more through CGI.

And indeed, the war has all the elements it needs. Once after it finding a new enemy becomes harder. It is logical that it would the Russians, but it's the different. The Nazis really went out to conquer the nations for their lebensraum. No other powers did afterwards again, in order to really conquer the world and to keep it.
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Old 10-30-2016, 12:39 PM   #665
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WWII would have been a good setting but Harrison Ford is now too old so any movie made with him would have to take place after Crystal Skull. I would rather not see the Nazis used as enemies again. While they do make great villains, they have been used enough for the series so far. I do think other regimes have risen to their level of evil and barbarity in the 20th century, such as Imperial Japan during the WWII era, the USSR under Stalin and Maoist China just to name a few. For whatever reason none seem to be as well known or infamous to most westerners.

I think the 60's could be a great setting with the Cold War as a backdrop. Communists could make great villains, though I hope for better execution than we saw in the last film.
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I'm still in favor of WWII. There is just something about that time, I really like but that I can't explain. Despite it's been a terrible war, I think it's one of the most romantic times. The Nazis were just such an evil force that in the end it really had to be all or nothing in that war. We just couldn't afford to lose that war or else we wouldn't have had the world we have now. The war is always a great backdrop because the stakes were never higher than back than.

"that I can't explain". Try and explain it. You will clear up many things for yourself in the attempt.

"most romantic times" Wow. You've been on the Hollywood diet too long. About 58 million people died in WW2. I'm not sure where the romance was, but the bombs and the bullets were on target.

The term 'Nazi' was invented by someone behind the Allies. The German forces never referred to themselves as 'Nazis'. As for "evil", what about the Allied bombing of civilian cities? As many as 20 million Germans died in WW2, many of them civilians, men, women and children.

"the world we have now" You mean the one where we have had continuous warfare since the end of WW2? Where wars, 'peace keeping actions', proxy wars and wars of 'liberation' have squandered trillions of dollars, grabbed resources, killed millions and where Communism and Post Capitalism have ravaged the world?

Sorry to come down this hard, but your post sounds quite naive. We will never see a B grade Hollywood escapist movie address Historiography in any context other than official narrative, but we don't have to believe it.
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"that I can't explain". Try and explain it. You will clear up many things for yourself in the attempt.

"most romantic times" Wow. You've been on the Hollywood diet too long. About 58 million people died in WW2. I'm not sure where the romance was, but the bombs and the bullets were on target.

The term 'Nazi' was invented by someone behind the Allies. The German forces never referred to themselves as 'Nazis'. As for "evil", what about the Allied bombing of civilian cities? As many as 20 million Germans died in WW2, many of them civilians, men, women and children.

"the world we have now" You mean the one where we have had continuous warfare since the end of WW2? Where wars, 'peace keeping actions', proxy wars and wars of 'liberation' have squandered trillions of dollars, grabbed resources, killed millions and where Communism and Post Capitalism have ravaged the world?

Sorry to come down this hard, but your post sounds quite naive. We will never see a B grade Hollywood escapist movie address Historiography in any context other than official narrative, but we don't have to believe it.

I agree with many of your points. I hate when the word Nazi is used as a substitute for Germans/Germany during the WWII era. While many many Germans did partake in some horrific crimes against humanity, many in the Wehrmacht were just average Germans who were drafted or voluntereed to fight for their country and homeland, regardless of how they felt about the government. I am sure their were many Russians who didn't like the USSR, Stalin or Communism but fought to defend their homes and families during the war. Almost all Americans supported their country during the war regardless of how they felt about FDR and the New Deal policies that were instituted.

While I do think the better side one, certainly terrible things were carried out to achieve that victory, including conventional and atomic bombings that helped to secure victory. Many of them I feel were necassary evils but they still had devastating results.

While WWII has had a lasting legacy on the world it certainly did bring lasting peace. Just like WWI's ending set the stage for WWII, so did WWII in setting the stage for the Cold War and all of the smaller proxy wars that were to follow. I think many feel nostalgia for the era because it seemed like a simpler time. The Axis powers were the enemy and achieving victory was straight forward. To many things seem more complex today, with global terrorism and the conflicts around the world. Things seem less black and white to many.
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I agree with many of your points. I hate when the word Nazi is used as a substitute for Germans/Germany during the WWII era. While many many Germans did partake in some horrific crimes against humanity, many in the Wehrmacht were just average Germans who were drafted or voluntereed to fight for their country and homeland, regardless of how they felt about the government. I am sure their were many Russians who didn't like the USSR, Stalin or Communism but fought to defend their homes and families during the war. Almost all Americans supported their country during the war regardless of how they felt about FDR and the New Deal policies that were instituted.
Very important point to remember that is often forgotten.
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"that I can't explain". Try and explain it. You will clear up many things for yourself in the attempt.

"most romantic times" Wow. You've been on the Hollywood diet too long. About 58 million people died in WW2. I'm not sure where the romance was, but the bombs and the bullets were on target.

The term 'Nazi' was invented by someone behind the Allies. The German forces never referred to themselves as 'Nazis'. As for "evil", what about the Allied bombing of civilian cities? As many as 20 million Germans died in WW2, many of them civilians, men, women and children.

"the world we have now" You mean the one where we have had continuous warfare since the end of WW2? Where wars, 'peace keeping actions', proxy wars and wars of 'liberation' have squandered trillions of dollars, grabbed resources, killed millions and where Communism and Post Capitalism have ravaged the world?

Sorry to come down this hard, but your post sounds quite naive. We will never see a B grade Hollywood escapist movie address Historiography in any context other than official narrative, but we don't have to believe it.
What I couldn't explain, dr.jones1986 managed to describe as a simpler time. And that's where a part of the romance lies. It was a simpler time, but I think also in everything else like the fashions and the cars...

Continuous warfare? Yes, there always is a war going on somewhere. And yes, the world we have now is far from great with the recent terrorist attacks. But I grew up in a peaceful time. If it wasn't for the Allies in the 40's, we'd probably have a total different world. I think after the Cold War was over we lived perhaps in the most peaceful time since WWII. That time is over now since 9/11. But I know that the consequences of the war are still noticeable. A few months ago, I tried to start a topic on this on another forum and did some research on it and I was actually surprised it all began even before Hitler was born what would eventually lead to World War II.

And what I meant about being in favor of World War II, I meant it for the movies of course.
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What I couldn't explain, dr.jones1986 managed to describe as a simpler time. And that's where a part of the romance lies. It was a simpler time, but I think also in everything else like the fashions and the cars...

Continuous warfare? Yes, there always is a war going on somewhere. And yes, the world we have now is far from great with the recent terrorist attacks. But I grew up in a peaceful time. If it wasn't for the Allies in the 40's, we'd probably have a total different world. I think after the Cold War was over we lived perhaps in the most peaceful time since WWII. That time is over now since 9/11. But I know that the consequences of the war are still noticeable. A few months ago, I tried to start a topic on this on another forum and did some research on it and I was actually surprised it all began even before Hitler was born what would eventually lead to World War II.

And what I meant about being in favor of World War II, I meant it for the movies of course.



Peaceful for the U.S...sure meanwhile Russia was slaughtering its own people
And by far the biggest mass murder of people was in China during the "peaceful" time we were having. So many people, it makes WW2 look like a rainy day.
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Actually I live in Belgium. When I grew up war was unimaginable.
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Just as many people felt Indy didn't fit in the 1950s, I don't feel he fits in the 1940s. 1940s = film noir for me. Indiana Jones isn't film noir. The late '50s-early '60s period at least works in a sense because that period isn't not really associated with any singular genre. But seeing Ford (or a replacement actor) in say, 1943, try to be Bogart wouldn't work for me.

The only way a post 1939 period works for Indy is if you ignore the world at large. KOTCS hammered that we were in the 'nifty '50s' in our faces many times throughout the film when it didn't need to. It only deepend the divide between it and the existing films. And if you make a film set in the 1940s, which also ignores the 40s, what's the point of setting it then in the first place?

I view WWII as the start of the modern era. The age of the Atom. Indy was supposed to harken back to a time when the world seemed to be a much smaller place. There's a reason none of the original trilogy is set during the '40s.

And the Nazis have really been done to death as villains, both in pop culture and in Indy too. They no longer have the scary, spooky effect they once had. They're overplayed.

It's too bad KOTCS was set so late in the 50s. Seeing Indy around the time of the Korean War, in Asia, with vicious Chi-coms or Korean Communists as the enemies, could've been interesting. Some of the most brutal, bitter fighting was at Chosin in frozen Winter.

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I hate when the word Nazi is used as a substitute for Germans/Germany during the WWII era.
Same here. Even worse is when people spell the term as "Nazi's".
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People speak about a desire to see Indy during WWII. I personally don't.
Indy 5 isn't going to take place during WW2 so why even mention it in this thread?
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Just as many people felt Indy didn't fit in the 1950s, I don't feel he fits in the 1940s. 1940s = film noir for me. Indiana Jones isn't film noir. The late '50s-early '60s period at least works in a sense because that period isn't not really associated with any singular genre. But seeing Ford (or a replacement actor) in say, 1943, try to be Bogart wouldn't work for me.
Wow, man. Out of all the crazy things youíve ever written, Raiders112390, this is probably your most insane.
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...he'll be involved in a lots of fun action sequences but letting younger characters dominate during other important sequences...This is Disney they're not going to make a tentpole summer movie with a 75 year old leading man as the only star.
True...and there's a very, high probability that one of the leads will be a young girl. This is 21st century Disney, folks, and their most recent successes are a good indication as to what type of character might play a major role in Indy 5. Just look at the new "Star Wars" movies.

As I wrote almost 6 months ago:
"Expect a watered-down, 'Indy-light' movie that every little girl around the world can enjoy."
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Same here. Even worse is when people spell the term as "Nazi's".

Knotzees? Naughtzz's?
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True...and there's a very, high probability that one of the leads will be a young girl. This is 21st century Disney, folks, and their most recent successes are a good indication as to what type of character might play a major role in Indy 5. Just look at the new "Star Wars" movies.
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Don't forget the era we're living in. This girl will most likely be black and gay. They gotta check them boxes.
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