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Old 11-03-2008, 06:38 AM   #76
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His decision was based on the lesser screentime Henry Sr. would have had and the appalling dialogue, hodge-podge plot and the overall cynicism of the script.


There's no evidence he said that. You just made it up, therefore we must dismiss it as complete rubbish.

Case closed.

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Old 11-03-2008, 06:43 AM   #77
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Interesting.

It is when you compare it to how other deaths are superficially dealt with within Indy movies e.g. Indy's mumsí death.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:53 AM   #78
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Who the heck are you...Connery? You don't know that and it's completely logical to assume that he was less then thrilled by it. The truth is that anyone that says different is a nutty over-the-top Skull supporter that's in deep denial about it's less then positive public opinion.
I don't think that's a logical assumption to make based on the other movies he's been happy to make. He clearly didn't want to be a part of KOTCS... that much is obvious. But I think it's a more logical to assume that he either... 1) Couldn't be arsed. 2) He simply thought the part was'nt big/interesting enough.

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Connery said the only movie that could lure him from retirement was another Indiana Jones. Yet, he turned it down. His decision was based on the lesser screentime Henry Sr. would have had and the appalling dialogue, hodge-podge plot and the overall cynicism of the script.

Sean has emerged from this as one of the smarter cookies....

I think you are reaching there...
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:40 AM   #79
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I don't think that's a logical assumption to make based on the other movies he's been happy to make.

Yeah, but he's also refused to be in really good movies too. The guy is notoriously bad at picking scripts.
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:44 AM   #80
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Did Connery see the film at a special screening or one of the major premiers..?
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:20 AM   #81
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Connery lives in Spain. He's 78 and barely leaves his house unless it's to go to the Golf course.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:27 AM   #82
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Connery lives in Spain. He's 78 and barely leaves his house unless it's to go to the Golf course.

But surely he has seen it..(?)
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:39 AM   #83
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maybe if they mailed it to him.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:14 PM   #84
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But just because heís done embarrassingly poor film in the past does equate to him not thinking this script was bad whatsoever. He very well might have thought it was crap. I cannot see him saying no to a script he found good or even amazing...and KOTCS was far from that...
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:39 PM   #85
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:42 PM   #86
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Yeah, but he's also refused to be in really good movies too. The guy is notoriously bad at picking scripts.

Exactly... So I think it's difficult to infer anything from his decision (apart from the obvious).
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:45 PM   #87
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LOL. Priceless...
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:56 PM   #88
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Exactly... So I think it's difficult to infer anything from his decision (apart from the obvious).

Darth Vile, you have a way of making my brain explode.
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:53 PM   #89
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Darth Vile, you have a way of making my brain explode.

Why's that?
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Old 11-03-2008, 07:02 PM   #90
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But surely he has seen it..(?)

I'll ask him next time I see him.
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Old 11-03-2008, 09:20 PM   #91
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Connery lives in Spain. He's 78 and barely leaves his house unless it's to go to the Golf course.


. . . .or to hook up with Annie Leibovitz to shoot a Louis Vuitton ad.





I don't know why people are giving the speculators here such a hard time. The movie was trash - so its a fair assumption that Connery passed due to the poor quality of the script. John Hurt's quotes are proof enough for me. He's an accomplished enough actor that pretty much told it like it is.
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. . . .or to hook up with Annie Leibovitz to shoot a Louis Vuitton ad.





I don't know why people are giving the speculators here such a hard time. The movie was trash - so its a fair assumption that Connery passed due to the poor quality of the script. John Hurt's quotes are proof enough for me. He's an accomplished enough actor that pretty much told it like it is.

Because it's an ill informed opinion...
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Old 12-22-2008, 08:35 PM   #93
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Connery was extremely wise to stay in retirement, his reputation would have been cut to shreds. But, get this, just because he had the right idea to not do the film, they kill his character off! What a joke.
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Old 12-22-2008, 08:38 PM   #94
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Connery was extremely wise to stay in retirement, his reputation would have been cut to shreds. But, get this, just because he had the right idea to not do the film, they kill his character off! What a joke.
Well I guess that would sort of depend on when they had the wedding idea, because if he didn't want to do it, and they had the idea of the wedding (and really wanted to top off of the movie that way), do they really have a choice?
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Old 12-22-2008, 08:41 PM   #95
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Here's a hint, don't make the shamefully bad fourth film, then Sean's character is still alive in that universe. The film is made now, it's too late. And what a damn shame that is.
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Old 12-22-2008, 09:20 PM   #96
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To be fair the movie's reasons for killing off Connery are story-related. If you can't get Connery back why not use his character's death to further drive home the theme of Indy's isolation? The real problem is the way they handled his off-screen death - in a single sentence, "here's our explanation for the non-participant actor" sort of way.
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Old 12-22-2008, 10:56 PM   #97
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Good point, Udvarnoky. In terms of the story line, Indy's dad is getting pretty old. Of course, on the other hand, if he had decided to do the movie, we just would have had a really old Henry Jones Senior. If you think about it, he was still in the movie, just in a single frame!
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It's just a slap in the face to Connery's magnificent performance in TLC. They both rode off into the sunset, as father and son. It should have ended there.
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Old 12-24-2008, 08:50 AM   #99
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First, Sean Connery has been retired for a few years now. He doesn't do any films. When he saw that he's only really a cameo at the start and I assume end of the film, he declined.

Second, while I am a gigantic Connery fan, it's pretty clear he's rarely picked good scripts in the last 15 years. Most of the movies have been terrible.
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Old 12-26-2008, 08:11 AM   #100
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Was I the only one who didn't feel any emotional resonance with Henry Sr.'s death? I mean, Harrison is great in the scene, but it's handled in such a hamfisted way, with the two portraits of the two unavailable actors (due to death and retirement respectively) being shown and pointed to within a single line. It was forced and hard to take very seriously.

"Brutal couple of years, eh Charlie? First Dad, then Marcus, then Shorty in that threshing machine mishap, then Sallah collapsing backwards into an open manhole, then Willie skydiving without a parachute, then Earl Weber pogosticking blindfolded into that crater of wet cement. And the weird thing is, it all happened on the same weekend."
LMAO!!

Seriously though, I agree completely with your take on the handing of the scene! I just watched KOTCS again last night, and I gotta say not only has the film become extremely boring and tedious for me to watch, but certain scenes that were handled so poorly (like the above mentioned) jump out at me even more with each new viewing! I was really hoping it would be otherwise, since I found it way more entertaining the last time I saw it, but that seems to be changing rapidly.

As for Connery's participation in KOTCS, I think his absence is due to both his disdain for the script and the lack of prominence his character would have. If the script was fantastic, I highly doubt he would have used the excuse of having just too much 'fun' with retirement to make an exception. Joe Brody made a good point earlier, Connery's had no problem getting together with Annie Leibovitz to shoot Louis Vuitton ads, but a cameo in KOTCS is too much work? Yeah it would take more time, but the payday would be considerably higher.
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