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Old 06-03-2018, 05:16 AM   #1
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Even if Harrison stars, should Indy 5 be a soft reboot?

In the mid 70s, the James Bond series lacked its own identity. 1973's Live and Let Die had the series jump on the Blaxploitation bandwagon. 1974's The Man with the Golden Gun cashed in on the Kung Fu craze to dismal box office results. These were films which were essentially other genres with Bond pasted in them. The series returned to form in 1977 with The Spy Who Loved Me, which is in many ways a reboot or even a soft remake of You Only Live Twice. Both films share many elements in common with The Spy Who Loved Me having some more modern tweaks to avoid being completely derivative.

Likewise, KOTCS was in some ways a bandwagon jumper - it took elements from the popular alien invasion renaissance of the 1990s as well as cues from other Indy inspired films. It is a film which also pays homage to the 1950s in a way the original films never did to the 1930s.

Should then a Harrison helmed Indy 5 go back to the drawing board and offer a soft or structural remake of Raiders? Enough of a remake to feel familiar while offering new elements so that it doesn't feel like a total retread (basically what TFA did)?

If so, how would you structure it?
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Old 06-03-2018, 01:16 PM   #2
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In the mid 70s, the James Bond series lacked its own identity. 1973's Live and Let Die had the series jump on the Blaxploitation bandwagon. 1974's The Man with the Golden Gun cashed in on the Kung Fu craze to dismal box office results. These were films which were essentially other genres with Bond pasted in them. The series returned to form in 1977 with The Spy Who Loved Me, which is in many ways a reboot or even a soft remake of You Only Live Twice. Both films share many elements in common with The Spy Who Loved Me having some more modern tweaks to avoid being completely derivative.

Likewise, KOTCS was in some ways a bandwagon jumper - it took elements from the popular alien invasion renaissance of the 1990s as well as cues from other Indy inspired films. It is a film which also pays homage to the 1950s in a way the original films never did to the 1930s.



Should then a Harrison helmed Indy 5 go back to the drawing board and offer a soft or structural remake of Raiders? Enough of a remake to feel familiar while offering new elements so that it doesn't feel like a total retread (basically what TFA did)?

If so, how would you structure it?
How the hell can you say that the original films never paid homage to the 1930s?
And if you want to talk about Bond films, The Spy Who Loved Me, while not being a remake, did blatantly re-use elements from You Only Live Twice, and these days could well be considered a soft reboot. But it didnt prevent the ‘jumping on the bandwagon’ aspect from happening again. Moonraker was famously made after, and due to, the success of Star Wars. And it still goes on. Bond was given a reboot with Casino Royal, and both it and Quantum of Solace were clearly very heavily influenced by the Bourne Identity and its sequels, not least in terms of the gritty, shaky-cam style cinematography.
But this is not about Bond, its about Indiana Jones. And as for Indy 5, i doubt it will jump on any specific bandwagon, rather i believe it’ll probably be influenced by the current rather generic style of the big summer ‘blockbusters’ like Black Panther, Infinity War, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 etc, in that it’ll be loud, long, with a lot of explosions with a ton of CGI characters running around on screen in an incoherent finale... I am exagerating of course, i do however feel that generally contemporary films lack the originality of, oh i dont know...Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Indy 5 doesnt need a soft reboot, any more than Bond did. It just needs the powers that be to have faith in the character and the identity of what the Indy films represent, of what made them so great in the first place, without trying to jump on the bandwagon of whatever happens to be popular at the time.
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Old 06-03-2018, 01:46 PM   #3
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It is a film which also pays homage to the 1950s in a way the original films never did to the 1930s.


Erm, what??

Should Indy 5 be a reboot film. No. Reboot film comes after.
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Old 06-04-2018, 05:51 AM   #4
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Indy5 should & will be a celebration of a now clearly older Harrison playing his favorite part in what I am sure will be a love letter to the fans.

I do not even think a reboot will happen anytime soon either. Indy 5 with Spielberg calling all the creative shots will not setup a new franchise it will end the current one in style I hope.
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:28 AM   #5
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The Spy Who Loved Me, which is in many ways a reboot


Nope, before Casino Royale came out all Bond films were meant to be in the same continuity, at least going from Dr. No to A View To A Kill. TSWLM even mentions the ending of OHMSS.

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In the mid 70s, the James Bond series lacked its own identity. 1973's Live and Let Die had the series jump on the Blaxploitation bandwagon. 1974's The Man with the Golden Gun cashed in on the Kung Fu craze to dismal box office results. These were films which were essentially other genres with Bond pasted in them. The series returned to form in 1977 with The Spy Who Loved Me, which is in many ways a reboot or even a soft remake of You Only Live Twice. Both films share many elements in common with The Spy Who Loved Me having some more modern tweaks to avoid being completely derivative.

A movie shares many elements in common with itself. Well, duh.
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:00 AM   #6
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I don't really want another Raiders remake: we've already had two of those!

Indy's an adventure hero: how many adventure stories have to feature the hero against an army, racing to find a thing that melts the bad guy's face at the end? Temple of Doom doesn't feel any less an Indy movie because it doesn't feature that format.
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:13 AM   #7
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Nope, before Casino Royale came out all Bond films were meant to be in the same continuity, at least going from Dr. No to A View To A Kill. TSWLM even mentions the ending of OHMSS.



A movie shares many elements in common with itself. Well, duh.

Soft remake then, structural remake, whatever the term you wanna use. Ain't a shot for shot remake but enough of the structural elements and ideas are there for it to basically be the kind of remake TFA was to the 1977 Star Wars - whatever you'd call that. And yeah I slipped up linguistically on the second point. But my point remains, without the split hairs.
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:15 AM   #8
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How the hell can you say that the original films never paid homage to the 1930s?

Didn't say the original films never paid homage to the 1930s, but it was never to the extent that KOTCS did it with the 1950s. I mean you got a couple of rock songs, the sidekick is a literal greaser who spits out '50s greaser lingo and even calls Indy "Daddy-o", Indy himself says "I like Ike", it was never that blatant in the original movies is my point.
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Old 06-04-2018, 10:43 AM   #9
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Didn't say the original films never paid homage to the 1930s, but it was never to the extent that KOTCS did it with the 1950s. I mean you got a couple of rock songs, the sidekick is a literal greaser who spits out '50s greaser lingo and even calls Indy "Daddy-o", Indy himself says "I like Ike", it was never that blatant in the original movies is my point.

One of the key points of Raiders is the fact that its an homage to the adventure serials of the 1930s.
It begins with the words “South America, 1936” on screen
The costume design, and i dont just mean Indy’s gear, are unmistakeably 1930s.
If as you say, “a couple of rock songs” represents the period in which the Crystal Skull is set, did you not notice “Anything Goes” in Temple of Doom, and “Youre a Sweet Little Headache” in Last Crusade?
Factor in pre-war nazis, AND Hitler, thats the 1930s right there.

Perhaps its an age thing. At your age perhaps you’re simply more aware of the popular culture of the 1950s than you are of the 1930s, and so the 50s is more immediately recogniseable to you.
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Old 06-05-2018, 10:00 AM   #10
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They already tried copying some of Raiders with Last Crusade. Indy V should be original while sprinkling enough of the Indy staples into it.
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Old 06-08-2018, 04:02 PM   #11
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Indy5 should & will be a celebration of a now clearly older Harrison playing his favorite part in what I am sure will be a love letter to the fans.

I really do hope this is what is planned for Indy 5. A true last hurrah, one for the ages (no pun intended).

Luckily with KOTCS it wasn't treated as such, so they have an opportunity to do it this time.
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Old 06-23-2018, 12:05 PM   #12
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I personally see little to no future for Indiana Jones following Harrison's exit. These reboots are just not working anymore.
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