time-raider said:
I don't know what to believe exactly, but i do know that unless someone presents some definitively hardcore proof that the argument could go on for millions of years. Now Im not talking about pictures on some wall or in some painting, that kind of evidence is relative. Im talking more like a rosetta stone saying here we are...or at least something along those lines. I mean think about it. The rosetta stone changed history not because it helped decode hieroglyphics, that would have happened eventually, but because it was physical evidence stared us in the face saying here I am, now do something. All the evidence that we have now for the AAT or AH is insubstantial. It wouldn't even hold up in a court of law. So...where is the "HERE I AM" evidence?
Time-Raider, you make a good point. I understand your hesitation. But actually, there's a ton of "Here I am" evidence. And, oddly, a comparison ufologists often use (and I believe justly so) is that the evidence would convict anyone of any crime. As food for thought, here's just a few of the better facts for UFOs:
1) Consistency among reports throughout all religions and cultures. UFO commonalities -- such as flying vehicles -- are described in the Bible, ancient Hindu texts, Greek war accounts, Egyptian mythology, native American legends, Mayan legends, and on and on and on. That there is a consistency between reports amongst widespread cultures over thousands of years, despite changing religious views and technological understanding, can only indicate that these are reports of an objective reality, rather than the product of any cultural interpretation or invention.
2) Crop circles. Not the hoaxed ones. I'm talking those that are hundreds of yards of complex patterns which mutate the plants (they have indeed been studied at a cellular level), create electric disturbances inside the patterns, have no footprints in them, the stalks are bent rather than broken (continuing to grow sideways), and animals won't go inside them. Those details have been found altogether not here or there one at a time, but ALL details in single formations . . . hundreds of times. And complex patterns like this
http://www.facebook.com/MattDeMille#!/photo.php?pid=2349144&id=717759425
are not by a few drunk hoaxters in the middle of the night!
3) Ancient art. UFOs appear in ancient art throughout the world. I'm not talking vague circles, I'm talking clearly metallic vehicles with jet-thrusts escaping them and occupants clearly riding in them.
4) How did ancient man know things about the stars we are only (re)discovering today? Such as native Americans knowing about the Pleiades hundreds of years ago? Or Pluto? Celestial bodies invisible to the naked eye? The pyramid structures outside Mexico City recreate a map of our solar system, including planets that were not (re)discovered until the 20th century, centuries after those pyramids were built.
5) Radar tracking. Belgium was the first, but other nations have also released radar and infra-red tracking of UFOs whose maneuvers simply defy (by a large margin) anything conventional aircraft can do, such as dropping thousands of feet in a second, making acute angled turns, etc.
6) Cattle mutilations. These animals decompose at an accelerated rate, there's never any blood or shred (teeth) marks around the wounds, the wounds are made with surgical lasers, animals (including predators) won't go near the carcasses, their bones are broken as if dropped from a great height, and in thousands of cases over decades nobody has ever been caught or even seen in the act.
7) The endless testimony of government officials -- high ranking officials -- saying this is real. Why is it when high ranking (or even low ranking) officials say it's bunk, then testimony is valid, but as soon as anyone says it's real, testimony is somehow invalid? And I mean TOP . . . MEN. UFO witnesses include Presidents Regan, Carter and Ford, British Lord of the Fleet Norton, along with countless US military officers including the ranks of Colonel and Sgt. Major. If their testimony is not worthy, why the hell are they in charge of our nukes?
8) And speaking of nuclear weapons, UFOs have a long history of disabling nuclear weapons facilities by altering codes when doing fly-by's. The data for this is available by FOIA documents. The UFOs are in the reports as well as the confirmation of code change. How the hell can that happen if done by a terrestrial force? Short answer? It can't.
9) Why DO all ancient monuments form a perfect worldwide grid in perfect proportional measurement to one another?
10) There are countless pieces of UFO debris (metal and other artifacts) held in private hands who are only too eager to let scientists study them, but scientists just snicker, giggle and laugh it away without putting any of it under the microscope.
That's just a few. I could go on. Point is, the evidence is there if anyone cares to look. We're not dealing with a lack of evidence. We're dealing with a lack of open-mindedness. We're dealing with the unwillingness of people to look objectively at the evidence that is there. To quote Dr. Steven Greer: "In no other area of scientific endeavor do you need proof before you actively investigate something. This is a hypocritical standard that scientists have held up. If there is only a 10% chance that all the evidence we have indicates that we are being visited by an intelligent life-form, this is one of the most significant things in human history and we (ufologists) do not have to trot out a dead alien corpse before people in the scientific community should seriously begin to look at it".