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Old 10-15-2007, 11:10 AM   #1
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The Mummy series

Hello, everyone. I just wanted to share some of the significant similarities between the Mummy movies and the Indy films, and to also hopefully play lawer for this poor outcast-franchise. My first post will focus on my defense of the much-reviled second flick, The Mummy Returns.

Now, I know this topic has been discussed TONS of times, but I am in the process of watching Returns with a more open mind. Before I was rather disgruntled and half-disappointed by this sequel, with its hyperactively-corny atmosphere and intelligence-insulting plot devices and holes. But just a few days ago I realized that TEMPLE OF DOOM had been met with the exact same critisizm by Indy fans, and yet look at how many love Temple as their favorite now! I then decided that I should try watching Returns with the knowledge that, yes, the movie is cheesy beyond belief, has plot holes you could fly a Star Destroyer through, and has very lackluster effects when compared to the excellent CGI of the first. But I should just try and not bring logic to the movie, and just enjoy the cartoony CGI carnage and jokes-a-minute which flip past the screen.

And you know what? This time I enjoyed the living crap out of this cheeseball blockbuster.

Despite it's glaring flaws, Returns has a lot of good stuff crammed in it. For instance, I really like the story, with the whole Scorpion-King-about-to-ressurect-himself-and-the-only-one-who-can-beat-him-and-command-his-invincible-army-of-Jackal-warriors-is-Imhotep-twist. I think its a really good springboard for a nice, time-wasting adventure. And the fact that Brendan Fraser makes for the greatest adventure hero since Indy himself makes it all more fun. And did I mention the Pygmy Mummies? Those little mother****ing monkey bastards frickin' KICK ASS! They are so cool! Man, those midget dudes are so "da bomb" that I wanna see a movie about them!

So anyway, I watched Returns with as fresh eyes as I could have, and I actually enjoyed the movie's daffy, gee-whiz-whoopty-doo attitude and cheese value. Lactose intolerant viewers might stay clear away from it , but I like it anyhoo!
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The first film, The Mummy, was great. It blew away my eleven-year-old self when I saw it in theaters. (11?! Has it really been that long? Whoo... I feel old.) A fun adventure romp, very Raiders-esque. Love, love, love the film.

Evelyn is reminicent of Marion, 'cept without Ravenwood's badass "take charge" attitude. And Jack is like Indiana Jones' ne'er-do-well cousin.

A good, if forgettable, movie.

But The Mummy Returns. Well! That's an entirely different beast. It has its moments as you've mentioned, however I simply cannot forgive it for introducing certain characters and plot elements, hereby making it possible for the cinematic abortion that was The Scorpion King.

I was hoping that the series would have a chance to redeem itself with the upcoming film, though since it was announced that Rachel Weiz won't be returning as Evee my expectations have dropped significantly.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:47 PM   #3
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The first film, The Mummy, was great. It blew away my eleven-year-old self when I saw it in theaters. (11?! Has it really been that long? Whoo... I feel old.) A fun adventure romp, very Raiders-esque. Love, love, love the film.

I first saw The Mummy on pay-per-view back when the world had Primestar cable. I was around seven, and the special effects, as well as Fraser's classic, likable hero, rocked my socks off. My mom absolutely hates the scarabs though; she is completely terrified of those things. Me, the scarabs were the Pygmy Mummy equivalent in the film; really nasty little critters which are they only to pick off more character-fodder. I was entertained that night long, long ago, and I still deeply love it to this very day. A very special film for me.


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I was hoping that the series would have a chance to redeem itself with the upcoming film, though since it was announced that Rachel Weiz won't be returning as Evee my expectations have dropped significantly.

Well, on that topic, I personally have a lot of faith for Tomb of the Dragon Emperor. Now that Sommers is not directing it, I think we can have a fresh start kind of like Casino Royale, basically ignoring the first two (for the most part) and breathing new life (no pun intended) into the series. I am EXTREMELY happy that Fraser will be back, and I share your mourning for the loss of Weiz. But from what I've read on director Rob Cohen's fan blog where he regularly updates the film's progress, he seems confident that it will retain the funny, light-hearted mood of the first but will also bring a new epic feel to the series as well. Honestly, I really really hope Emperor turns out as good as it sounds so far.

Jet Li as a chinese mummy trying to conquer the earth with Terra Cotta soldiers? AWESOME! DIFFERENT! UNIQUE!


http://robcohenthemummy.com/

Here's a link to Cohen's Mummy 3 blog site. Hope you like what you see and read.

PLEASE, PLEASE GIVE MORE REPLYS GUYS!!!!!

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Old 10-15-2007, 06:00 PM   #4
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Jet Li as a chinese mummy trying to conquer the earth with Terra Cotta soldiers? AWESOME! DIFFERENT! UNIQUE!

Yeah, I'll give 'em that. At least they're trying to do something out of the norm, and for that I tip my hat to them. ()

Thanks for the blog-linkage, too. The photos have definitely piqued my interest in this movie. But I still can't get over them replacing Rachel Weiz with whatsherface. That'd be like having someone else play Marion. You just... you just don't do that.

It has also come to my attention that The Mummy and The Mummy Returns take place in 1923 and 1933, respectively. Now I'm not one for crossovers, but the potential for an Indy reference is giving even me a woody.

I can't believe they passed on that! Man. In the next one, seeing how it takes place in China, they should slip in a mention of Lao Che somehow.
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Old 10-15-2007, 08:18 PM   #5
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Awwwww what about Oded Fehr???
He was even hotter than Brendan Fraser in those movies.... and boy did they KNOW it; he was originally supposed to die in the first film, but they brought him back because he rocked so hard.
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:34 AM   #6
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Awwwww what about Oded Fehr???
He was even hotter than Brendan Fraser in those movies.... and boy did they KNOW it; he was originally supposed to die in the first film, but they brought him back because he rocked so hard.

Definitely agree there. They should have made a spin-off about Ardeth Bay.
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:19 PM   #7
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Is anyone responding anymore? Come on guys! I really want to discuss this in detail.
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Old 10-22-2007, 04:13 PM   #8
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Hrm, I've only seen Mummy 2 twice completely through opposed to the bajillion times I've seen the original one straight through. It had some good elements, just a poor execution. It was too silly at times, and yet too serious at others. The original struck up a perfect balance between action, comedy, and drama. The second one reminds me of other movie sequels I say suck like Pirates 2 and Spidey 3 which ran into the same problems this one had. I'm not excited for the third one. I might see it on DVD or tv or something, but I'm not rushing out to see it in a year that's giving us both another Indy and Batman flick.

Mummy is great for it not being a horror, but another fun filled adventure like Indiana Jones. I love movies like this. They're even better if they're filled with camp like this was.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:28 PM   #9
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I just want to share this with you guys...

I just made a big amount of contributions to the Rick O'Connell article for Wikipedia, and I am also working on improving all the other articles concerning the Mummy flicks. Check it out, and please tell me what you think! I want to know your opinions on my description and (fictional) biographical writing skills!
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:47 PM   #10
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It'd be polite of you to provide a URL....
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:15 PM   #11
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_O'Connell
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:19 AM   #12
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It'd be polite of you to provide a URL....

Oh, sorry, forgot! Here you are, guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard...22_O%27Connell

Hope you like it.
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Old 10-25-2007, 01:18 PM   #13
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Holy Christ! Two new entries on Cohen's blog site reveal more info and show us two ABSOLUTELY KICK-ASS looking photos of Jet Li and Brendan Fraser in action!!!!!!! It looks so unfreakin'-believably-awesome I can barely breath (just kidding...) TAKE A LOOK! I hope these two new photos will strengthen your faith in Part III and realize that Rob Cohen is trying his dang hardest to make a genuine HOLY F-ING A! THIS IS A DAMN COOL MOVIE experience! I can not share enough how excited I am by looking at these pics! God, this is going to be the best one yet...DAMN COOL!



and here's another blow-your-balls-off-cool shot!!! (it's just a link because the pic itself is too huge to fit the forum screen)

http://www.robcohenthemummy.com/_N9P1695.jpg

Tell me your guys' reactions to this! This looks great!

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Old 10-25-2007, 06:16 PM   #14
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Umm... No, those didn't get me excited. lol

I think rather than doing more Mummy movies, they should have spun the franchise off using the same characters. Think of all the cool stuff they haven't done with Indy. Why not use Rick, Evelyn, and Jonathon for say.... Atlantis? That would have been cooler I think.
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:08 PM   #15
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Pic is kinda cool, want to see him in Mummy form though. Nice analysis btw.
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:40 PM   #16
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I really liked the original Mummy movie a lot. I think it was cheesy but not in a bad way. Done well. The sequel and Scorpion King movie were horrrrrible from what I remember. The sequel, returns, re-used the same idea from the first movie... a giant face of water vs. a giant face of sand? Lame.

I know next to nothing about this new one. But I am a little excited to see if they can make it on par with the original. Jet Li's in it? I didn't even know that! See? I know next to nothing!
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:45 AM   #17
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Umm... No, those didn't get me excited. lol

I think rather than doing more Mummy movies, they should have spun the franchise off using the same characters. Think of all the cool stuff they haven't done with Indy. Why not use Rick, Evelyn, and Jonathon for say.... Atlantis? That would have been cooler I think.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking! It seems that the series is entering a trend where, every two movies or so, the story will focus on a different country's mythology and mummies. Think, we could have Mummy movies about the Aztecs, the Peruvian and Atlantean mummies! Kind of like how each Indy film deals with a different religion. Like it?
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Pic is kinda cool, want to see him in Mummy form though. Nice analysis btw.

Yes, he definitely should be in Mummy form. It's the tradition of the series.
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:55 PM   #19
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That's EXACTLY what I was thinking! It seems that the series is entering a trend where, every two movies or so, the story will focus on a different country's mythology and mummies. Think, we could have Mummy movies about the Aztecs, the Peruvian and Atlantean mummies! Kind of like how each Indy film deals with a different religion. Like it?

That would have been pretty sweet, though it's too late to actually really do that now. I'm honestly quite surprised Frasier's back after he was in Crash. But yeah, they could have done the mummy stories you described and concluded the series with Imhotep's return. That would have made his return all the cooler.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:35 AM   #20
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Yeah, I wonder if they'll pull a Dead Man's Chest and have a twist ending where the O'Connells have no choice but to team up with a once-again resurrected Imhotep to defeat the Dragon Emperor. That would be cool!

(honestly, the twist ending of DMC is the most shocking, blow-your-balls-off HOLY SH!T moment in movies ever...When I saw the ending in the theater, when Capt. Geoffrey Rush descends the stairs and with a wicked grin says, "So tell me...what's become of my ship?" I nearly blew up! BARBOSSA'S BACK?!?!?! F*UCK YEAHHHH!!!!!!!
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(honestly, the twist ending of DMC is the most shocking, blow-your-balls-off HOLY SH!T moment in movies ever...When I saw the ending in the theater, when Capt. Geoffrey Rush descends the stairs and with a wicked grin says, "So tell me...what's become of my ship?" I nearly blew up! BARBOSSA'S BACK?!?!?! F*UCK YEAHHHH!!!!!!!

OMG do I agree. Tears, literally. I was so happy.

Don't know if I'd be that excited for a similar Imhotep scene, but yeah I understand what you're talking about.
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:13 AM   #22
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Calling all Mummy fans!!! Calling all Mummy fans!!!

I have finally created a Mummy movie wiki at Wikia.com, and I need some support, help and volunteers to help contribute articles and stuff. Please help, with any luck this will turn out like the excellent POTC Wiki or Wookiepedia! Calling all Mummy fans!!! Calling all Mummy fans!!!

To quote a friend of mine:

"THIS IS SERIOUS!!!"-Dr. Jones

(I was originally going to have this post as a new thread, but I just thought it be easier to just post on my Mummy Analysis one, for the sake of just adding more replies to the thread...) Honestly, I hope this thread continues to grow because I really love discussing, analyzing and just plain talking about the Mummy films!
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The first film, The Mummy, was great. It blew away my eleven-year-old self when I saw it in theaters. (11?! Has it really been that long? Whoo... I feel old.) A fun adventure romp, very Raiders-esque. Love, love, love the film.


Just my feelings exactly.

The Mummy barowed some sceens from Raiders of the Lost Ark; for instance when Evee first see's the mummy and screams and pushes her back up against the wall, thats just like when in Raiders Marion (while in the Well of Souls) sees all the (inanamate) mummys and does exactly what Evee did. And then remember when Rick runs around the corner with sord in hand and you then hear a roar and he runs back sreaming with a gagle of mummies behind him. Thats right from Temple of Doom.

O.K., I'm sorry if somebody already made those points.
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Umm... No, those didn't get me excited. lol

I think rather than doing more Mummy movies, they should have spun the franchise off using the same characters. Think of all the cool stuff they haven't done with Indy. Why not use Rick, Evelyn, and Jonathon for say.... Atlantis? That would have been cooler I think.
I had hopes that they were going to do something like that. Rick, Evie and Jonathon as a team getting into adventures all over the world, but not necessarily with mummies every time ! Of course they'd have to change the name of the franchise then; maybe call it "O'Connell" or something.
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Alright, folks, I'm finally going to post my stuff on the Mummy films' similarities to Indy.

This is a well-known topic, I am aware of that. But the whole point of this thread is to re-examine the Mummy franchise, and to hopefully realize just how much of a debt they pay to Indy. In the two current films, there are literally dozens upon dozens of tiny little similarities and references. Let me point out a few that my Indy-seeking eye spied:

1. In The Mummy Returns Alex rides down a pillar in an egyptian temple, knocking it down and causing a dominoes-effect reaction. The camera angles and the overall look of the shot is strikingly similar to the scene in Raiders where Indy topples over the Anubis statue.

2. In The Mummy Returns Evey and Rick enter the room containing the Bracelet of Anubis...and there are tons of scorpions and spiders littered across the floor. This scene is a straight cousin of the bug-critter scene in Temple of Doom.

3. Also, in the sequel, as Rick and Evey return home in London, and Evelyn is trying to convince him to go off on another trip, in this scene Rick is wearing a fedora. This scene is like Indy fan porn when we see Fraser in this getup...it's just so nostalgic.

4. In The Mummy the sacrifice scene at the end has an odd similarity to the Wrath of God ending of Raiders, where Ank-su-namun's soul rises from a bog in a ghostly, purple oozey spirit. This reminded me of the ghosts that cam out of the Ark.

5. The Medjai are basically a Muslim, Egyptian spin on the Brotherhood of the Something-something that tries to keep secret the Grail's location from Indy and Elsa in Last Crusade...except the difference is that the Medjai are 50,000,000 billion times cooler, with Ardeth Bay being the most kick-ass, secret soceity-chieftain to ever walk on the silver screen.

6. In The Mummy the Book of Amun Ra is kind of like the Ark in Raiders, in that both is the MacGuffin of their specific movies. Same goes for the Bracelet of Anubis/Holy Grail and the upcoming Terra Cotta army/Sankara Stones.

7. In the Mummy Returns the jungle of Ahm Shere evokes the South American jungle in the Raiders' prologue, and the Pygmy Mummies are like a miniature, evil-little-muthers version of the Hovitos.

8. I have a feeling that the pyramid that will appear in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is going to have a similar role as the Gold Pyramid in The Mummy Returns.

9. You guy's probably didn't know this, but the biplane used in The Mummy is the very same plane used for Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade when Indy and Henry Sr. escape the zepplin.

10. Last, but not least, Imhotep is kind of similar to the sadistic cult leader, Mola Ram (who I personally think is the best Indy villain. He uses children as slaves, for god's sake!)

These are only a tiny fraction of the hundreds of little things I noticed in the Mummy films. I think it is clear to all that this series is a genuine homage to the Indy movies, and when KOTCS finally comes to pass, the Mummy will continue to support us depressed Indy fans and make up for the absence of any new Indy flicks. Stephen Sommers may be heading the way of the Michael Bay, but what he created with The Mummy was a universe and film series that manages to capture the same goofy, gee-whiz spirit and sense of amazing adventure that made the Indy trilogy so damn brilliant. I hope the Mummy series continues on for many, many years, and that by the end Rick and Evelyn and Alex O'Connell finally find a well-earned place in the annals of great adventure-movie heroes...

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