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Old 02-12-2013, 03:33 AM   #51
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What an excellent new site. Thanks for all the work!
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:17 PM   #52
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Steam Locomotive from Mexico 1916

My brother and I just got back from a whirlwind tour of the Yucatan peninsula - from Mexico to Belize and Guatemala. Wow - what an amazing place! While on his own in Puebla, my brother had a chance to visit the National Museum of Mexican Railroads - so I made sure to have him take a few photos of N de M #1150, seen in "Mexico 1916."

It is an American Locomotive Company (A.L.C.O.) Baldwin GR-20 put in service in 1921 for the Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México.









Now what baffles me is that the episode was filmed in Almeria, Spain and somehow this thing ended up in Mexico... It's extremely hard to find any information about its history or the restoration work, but obviously if it's the same one it's been repainted since. I suppose there could be another similar engine in Spain that they could have repainted and used for the show, but why?

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My brother and I just got back from a whirlwind tour of the Yucatan peninsula - from Mexico to Belize and Guatemala. Wow - what an amazing place!
Sounds like a great trip, MDew! Did you go to Tikal National Park? One of my uncles actually moved to Guatemala years ago and I've always wanted to go visit. (I've also wondered how people in Belize would react if you referred to their country as the British Honduras.)
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Now what baffles me is that the episode was filmed in Almeria, Spain and somehow this thing ended up in Mexico... It's extremely hard to find any information about its history or the restoration work, but obviously if it's the same one it's been repainted since. I suppose there could be another similar engine in Spain that they could have repainted and used for the show, but why?
I can answer this. The reason is because the shots of the locomotive & train were taken from the 1989 film, "Old Gringo", which was filmed in Mexico. It appears that the Young Indy crew in Spain only had 2 flatcars made up to match the footage (Remy's costume was made to match, too). Watch the sequence and you'll see that the principal actors are never seen in any shots with the locomotive nor the rest of the train.

I wrote about it briefly in the 1st post of this thread: References to other films/TV shows in YI.

One of these days I'm going to upload the "Old Gringo" sequence to YouTube. Some people may be shocked to find out how much footage was borrowed from it!
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:21 PM   #54
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Sounds like a great trip, MDew! Did you go to Tikal National Park? One of my uncles actually moved to Guatemala years ago and I've always wanted to go visit. (I've also wondered how people in Belize would react if you referred to their country as the British Honduras.)

Yeah Tikal was our main reason for going to Guatemala and it was probably my favorite place we saw, although it was quite the adventure just getting there. We got there right in the morning and it felt a bit like an Indy adventure wandering through the jungle with spider monkeys, coatimundis, parrots and toucans in the trees above us.


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I can answer this. The reason is because the shots of the locomotive & train were taken from the 1989 film, "Old Gringo", which was filmed in Mexico. It appears that the Young Indy crew in Spain only had 2 flatcars made up to match the footage (Remy's costume was made to match, too). Watch the sequence and you'll see that the principal actors are never seen in any shots with the locomotive nor the rest of the train.

I wrote about it briefly in the 1st post of this thread: References to other films/TV shows in YI.
Interesting, I can't believe I missed that. Now that you point that out, that would explain some of the inconsistencies I'd noticed in those scenes. I'll definitely have to track down Old Gringo now. Thanks Stoo!
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Ya'll might get a kick out of the new blog post on my site: Kenya...or Cairo?
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:55 AM   #56
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Very enjoyable article, MDew. It's a real kick to be contacted by people who were part of the show (a few have written me, too) and those photos Bridget sent you are really special. How kind of her to do that.

So Lamu, Kenya stood in for Cairo, eh? Nice discovery.

Something to add is that the shot of the Europeans getting off the boat was also used in the original broadcast of "British East Africa" which, of course, is modern-day Kenya. (Unfortunately, the entire arrival sequence is cut from the "Passion For Life" DVD). Although the specific port is never mentioned, I've always imagined it being Mombasa but, hey, it could've been Lamu!
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Old 11-28-2013, 04:26 PM   #57
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I'm off to Vienna tomorrow so I'll be keeping my eye out for the relevant spots in your "M.I.A. Locations" section of your website.

Auf Wiedersehen!
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Awesome, take lots of photos!
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:19 AM   #59
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MDew, after fully investigating your BRILLIANT webpages for "Vienna, November 1908" and "Austria, March 1917" (and the 'Missing in Action' pages for both Vienna - M.I.A. and Austria - M.I.A.), I'm quite confident that...

The only filming in Vienna seems to have been done by 2nd unit for establishing shots at the beginning & midway points of the episodes. Notice that there are NEVER any shots of Corey & SPF actually in the real Vienna. (My guess it that the ice-skating pond is probably somewhere in the Czech Republic, as all of Corey's other parts seem to be.)

My Vienna trip wasn't a total bust, though, because I uncovered some interesting information!

The famous, Viennese Giant Wheel (Wiener Riesenrad) in Prater Park was digitally composited into both of those 2 aforementioned episodes. The Prater amusement park suffered a great fire during WW2 and the ferris wheel was destroyed along with several other rides. It was rebuilt c.1945 but this 'new' (present) version has only 15 carriages instead of the former 30. Upon learning about this fact from my trip, I immediately wanted to check out Young Indy again. SURE ENOUGH, the MASTERS at ILM presented the ferris wheel in all it's pre-1945 glory, with the original number of 30 carriages. Bravo!

The wheel has obviously been digitally inserted into these shots from the show on the left.



These shots last only a matter of seconds, yet the filmmakers went out of their way to make them look authentic. (That's cool in my books.) My love for this show is BIG but certain things keeps pushing that love into overdrive and this is the most recent example. (Another similar one is when I found out that ILM depicted Barcelona's Sagrada Familia under construction in 1917.)

The show's attention to background detail never ceases to amaze me!

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Old 12-07-2013, 11:29 AM   #60
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Nice work Stoo! I'm totally jealous of your globetrotting adventures. I concur that the only Vienna filming appears to be by 2nd unit, seems to be the case with many of the locations in the show. You could tell they tried to keep the main unit as central to the Prague area as possible - probably not only from a cost-saving perspective but also I'm sure the logistics of filming around certain landmark sites & the fact that the surrounding areas have altered so much over the years.

I too am always impressed with the level of detailed research that went into this show. They really did their homework!
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:56 AM   #61
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You could tell they tried to keep the main unit as central to the Prague area as possible - probably not only from a cost-saving perspective but also I'm sure the logistics of filming around certain landmark sites & the fact that the surrounding areas have altered so much over the years.
A fair assumption, MDew, about the areas changing. Prague would've been an ideal location in this regard because it didn't suffer nearly as much damage during WW2 as other major cities. It survived relatively intact & remains pretty much unblemished by modern buildings.

Having been to Prague twice (Sept '07 & July '08), I can attest to its beauty and time-transporting vibe.

It would be nice to see a full list of all the places that Prague doubled for in the series. Do you feel like doing a count?
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I too am always impressed with the level of detailed research that went into this show. They really did their homework!
Too right...and before the age of the Information Super Highway, which makes their research even more admirable. They weren't fooling around.

P.S. Just remembered, there's still a Barcelona location I've been meaning to tell you about!
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Old 12-09-2013, 10:39 AM   #62
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It would be nice to see a full list of all the places that Prague doubled for in the series. Do you feel like doing a count?

So far, locations within the city of Prague have stood in for:

Paris (Paris 1908/1916/1919)
Vienna (Vienna 1908)
Florence (Florence 1908)
Mockba/Moscow (Russia 1910)
St. Petersburg/Petrograd (Petrograd 1917)
France, Germany (Attack of the Hawkmen)
Barcelona (Barcelona 1917)
Waterloo (Treasure of the Peacock's Eye)
New York (Scandal of 1920)
Los Angeles (Hollywood Follies)

And I'm sure there are a lot more I haven't found yet...
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Waterloo (Treasure of the Peacock's Eye)
You must mean London for this location because Waterloo is in Belgium. The part with the train in, "Peacock", is supposed to be Waterloo Station in London.

(Coincidentally, I've been to both of those Waterloos within the past year. Seeing the battlefield was a life-long goal.)

Thanks a lot, MDew, for putting together that handy list. It's hefty, too, because there are many more places than expected and I've been to all of those cities except the 2 Russian ones. During my Prague trips, I might have walked by filming spots without even realizing it, since I wasn't looking out for them.

Also surprising to learn that Prague was used for American cities. Stuff like this really demonstrates how brilliantly executed the show's production management was and how they cut corners yet still achieved a full-blooded series, crammed with continuity & historical detail. My love for the show has just gone up another notch.

Oh, and uh, your investigation skills are most impressive, Mr. Mountain Dew!
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:13 PM   #64
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Well I just secured tickets for an Italy trip later this year, so the hunt is on! I already made one exciting discovery today but could definitely use some help for the rest!

P.S. Stoo, what's this all about? Don't get me all excited like that!
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P.S. Just remembered, there's still a Barcelona location I've been meaning to tell you about!

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Old 02-03-2014, 08:15 PM   #65
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MDew, congrats on identifying Giulietta's house since that is a wildly incredible feat! Your investigation skills are astounding.

Re. Barcelona:
- A couple of the opening shots. I have photos & precise points.
- The scene where Indy sneaks into the Count's car. You've identified a couple of locations on your website but I'll elaborate further with a comprehensive graphic of the whole route.

Re. Your upcoming trip:
I've been going to Italy every summer since 2001 and have been driving across the border into the Italian Alps since 2007. Even driven down the entire east coast all the way to its end (& beyond to the bottom of Sicily). Identifying locations from Young Indy is something which has never happened in all that time so GOOD LUCK in your quest!

Have a blast in Italy. Eat lots & lots of food because it won't get any better than there! When & where are you going?

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Cool, I'm really looking forward to the trip (only my 2nd time in Europe). I leave in late March & will be there almost 3 full weeks, so I should be able to cover a lot of ground. But it is a family trip, so I can only dictate so much! We're still in the process of figuring out where all we want to go, we may even venture up to Switzerland. And yes, I do plan on gorging myself
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Sounds great, man. Let me know if you decide to hit the Switz. Whatever you do in Italy, try your hardest to make it to Pompeii. It will freak you out, guaranteed! One of my 1st threads at The Raven was about my trip there. Check it out: Pompeii

Correction: When I wrote that I hadn't found any Italian locations, I meant from the "Northern Italy" episode (since I saw places from the "Florence" one).

From looking at the webpage of your "Northern Italy" discoveries, you've pretty much nailed many of the locations but IMDB.com also notes, Tomo, which is a mountain village just south of Feltre (Giulietta's house). Could this be the scene where Indy & Giulietta kiss? They are on a hillside and the Albion tower in Feltre is in the background.

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Here are a couple of those other Barcelona spots, both in Gaudi Park (Park Güell) right next to each other. Don't know the GPS locations but see the diagram below for their precise points. (For fun, there's also a photo of yours truly sitting on the disc sculpture, looking uncannily similar to the flower seller in the show. 'Twas not planned, it just turned out that way!)








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Awesome, nice photos from Barcelona! I would love to go there sometime too.

I'm not sure what they would have filmed in Tomo, I'll have to keep looking. I'm fairly certain I'd found the site of the kissing scene (judging by the orientation of background buildings), on a hill just to the east of town. The picture on the site was down but now back up. Oh yeah, and I made another exciting discovery today! Not much left to find for that episode (there are a a few on the Google Map that aren't on the page too).

Pompeii is definitely high on the list of things to see. Coincidentally, yesterday I was just looking at the satellite images of the ruins and was completely astounded by just how big the site is, I had no idea. I will be taking LOTS of photos.
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Italy Young Indy Locations Visited - IMAGE HEAVY!

I've just returned from my crazy Italy adventure and now begins the task of rifling through the hundreds of photos... It was exciting to finally visit some Young Indy locales in person, and I made some new discoveries as well! I thought I did quite well despite not having any reference photos with. Here's the first round of photos:






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As I was walking around Venice, I stumbled across this location completely by accident and recognized it immediately - the building used as the Venice hospital in the "Tales of Innocence" bridging sequence. Quite the stroke of luck!

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I've just returned from my crazy Italy adventure and now begins the task of rifling through the hundreds of photos... It was exciting to finally visit some Young Indy locales in person, and I made some new discoveries as well! I thought I did quite well despite not having any reference photos with. Here's the first round of photos:
OUTSTANDING, MDew! No reference photos? You amaze me, man. I can't believe you found so much and you got a really nice shot of the Ponte Vecchio. Superb all around. A+

Hope you had a great trip in Italia and ate lots of food.
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Quite the stroke of luck, indeed! I would have never noticed that. You have a great eye!
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I've visited Prague, and of course took some pictures from the apartment on Uvoz street, which according to the post on your site you could use, MDew? Is your e-mail on your site still valid?
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OUTSTANDING, MDew! No reference photos? You amaze me, man. I can't believe you found so much and you got a really nice shot of the Ponte Vecchio. Superb all around. A+

Hope you had a great trip in Italia and ate lots of food.
Quite the stroke of luck, indeed! I would have never noticed that. You have a great eye!

Thanks Stoo! It sure was a memorable trip - I will be back for sure!

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I've visited Prague, and of course took some pictures from the apartment on Uvoz street, which according to the post on your site you could use, MDew? Is your e-mail on your site still valid?

Yep, and I'd love to see them!
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Love all the comparison shots! The attention to detail by ILM never ceases to amaze and the amount of subtle digital work on some of those shots is all the more striking when compared to a real-world shot of the same area.

Unfortunately that's probably why we've not seen Young Indy on blu-ray yet and may not for some time. To do it right, they're faced with some of the same issues the restoration team for Star Trek: The Next Generation were. With that much work done on the shots, they can't just go to a higher res or the VFX additions will be jarring, they'd likely have to recreate the effects at a higher res and re-composite the shots. Maybe Disney will be willing to fork over the money for that some day.
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