Listen for yourself..Obama's Socialized medicine in his words

indyt

Active member
Respectfully, I do feel the Presidents agenda is moving too closely to socialism. And as for Israel, I do worry about his and Ms. Clintons policies toward them. Myself, I believe that Israel, according to the Bible, is the Jews and no one else's.
 

HovitosKing

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indyt said:
Respectfully, I do feel the Presidents agenda is moving too closely to socialism. And as for Israel, I do worry about his and Ms. Clintons policies toward them. Myself, I believe that Israel, according to the Bible, is the Jews and no one else's.

This is why religion and politics shouldn't mix.
 

WillKill4Food

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indyt said:
Myself, I believe that Israel, according to the Bible, is the Jews and no one else's.
And the Palestinian Muslims feel that its theirs, with equal conviction. Your subjective beliefs won't sway theirs, and no one has a right to make policy based on faith, which is exactly:
HovitosKing said:
... why religion and politics shouldn't mix.
 

indyt

Active member
I guess we can agree to disagree. The source of my thoughts come from scripture, therefore in you guys eyes that disqualifies me, thats OK. But you can even look at secular history and see that the Jewish people have been in the land since Abraham. But I will rest my argument here, I am sure I will not change many minds on this forum. And I am not trying to, I just am a supporter for the Jewish people, and no, I am not a Jew.
 

WillKill4Food

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indyt said:
The source of my thoughts come from scripture, therefore in you guys eyes that disqualifies me, thats OK. But you can even look at secular history and see that the Jewish people have been in the land since Abraham.
I don't care what your faith is. But you can't make policy based on religious beliefs. You just can't.
 

monkey

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Most people who call themselves "Jews" today are actually 'Khazars' or 'Askenazi' Jews. They are a tribal people from the Steppes of Russia, who adopted Judaism about 1500 years ago. They did so because they wanted to be niether Christian, nor Muslim. They wanted to play both sides one against the other.

Interesting how they are still doing the same thing today.

They eventually overthrew the Rulers of Russia and established Bolshevism as a tool to further their aims.

In the twentieth century they immigrated en masse to the United States where they took over most of the media, entertainment, and information industries. This enables them to control the population of the United States through propaganda.

In the 1950's many, many, many Jewish/Russian spy scandals surfaced. Julia and Ethel Rosenberg, Dexter White, and many others attest to the degree to which the United States was infiltrated by Bolshevik Jews.

One man who stood up against this was Joseph McCarthy. Today Joseph McCarthy is totally discredited, ridiculed, and held up as an example of intolerance. .................Go Figure!!

True Sapphardic Jews, i.e. those Jews of biblical history, and of the same race as the Arabs, are in the minority among today's Jewish world population.

Most true Sapphardic Jews want to live in peace with their Arab brothers. Most true Sapphardic Jews are not Zionists.
 

Pale Horse

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Staff member
oops, my pointed posts about the true nature of Zionism and world powers seems to have been missed...Again.
 

HovitosKing

Well-known member
monkey said:
Most people who call themselves "Jews" today are actually 'Khazars' or 'Askenazi' Jews. They are a tribal people from the Steppes of Russia, who adopted Judaism about 1500 years ago. They did so because they wanted to be niether Christian, nor Muslim. They wanted to play both sides one against the other.

You don't have to be a Jew to like the idea of Christians and Muslims canceling each other out. They're like screaming children, bickering at each other and having an epic tantrum at the grocery store. Let's just take them both out to the car and spank their asses. But back to your point, I don't buy an entire people adopting a novel (for them) organizational and cultural system just because they want to do these two classes of idiots in.
 
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emtiem

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Kevin said:
Obama is a communist because he wants a universal health care plan? In that case every European nation now (really every developed nation, because all except the US have universal health care) is a communist power. We thought Reagan saved us from the communist threat; how naive we were, we're surrounded!


However, I don't think socialized heath care will make this country a better place. If care in industrialized nations that have socialized National Health Care is so great, why do they come to the United States when they need real care? Take for example the prime minister of Italy, he could have had free heart surgery at home, but he came here to have it. http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/world_briefing_europe_italy_berlusconi_has_heart/

I've never quite got into this debate as it's not my country, but did you know that in here in the UK for example we have both a national health service and various private healthcare schemes, where anyone can choose to pay for their healthcare if they wish? It's not an either/or situation.

I don't understand why paying for a public utility is the worst kind of socialism. Don't Americans pay for schools, emergency services, roads etc. through taxes? If you're an adult who doesn't have kids, does paying taxes so that children can go to school not make you some kind of awful socialist? If not, why not? I don't get it.

Having a health service that you don't have to pay for is fantastic, frankly. I'd hate to have to face a bill when I wake up from being run over. It's like the idea of a policeman handing you a bill after he's saved you from a mugger. It's utterly alien and bewildering to me.
 

HovitosKing

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emtiem said:
I don't understand why paying for a public utility is the worst kind of socialism. Don't Americans pay for schools, emergency services, roads etc. through taxes? If you're an adult who doesn't have kids, does paying taxes so that children can go to school not make you some kind of awful socialist? If not, why not? I don't get it.

You are correct. It's political posturing and fear mongering (a la Joseph McCarthy) from a marginalized party wanting to prevent a massive beneficial overhaul of a broken system so that the other party doesn't receive the credit for progressing the country and improving lives. Unfortunately, about half the US lives in the stone age mentally and doesn't reason to the degree that you apparently have. They are therefore easily scared and confused because they don't bother to self-educate.
 
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Short Round

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HovitosKing said:
You are correct. It's political posturing and fear mongering (a la Joseph McCarthy) from a marginalized party wanting to prevent a massive beneficial overhaul of a broken system so that the other party doesn't receive the credit for progressing the country and improving lives. Unfortunately, about half the US lives in the stone age mentally and doesn't reason to the degree that you apparently have. They are therefore easily scared and confused because they don't bother to self-educate.

haha, please tell me this isn't the guy who called other people bigots! Please!

Anyway, this paragraph is what's wrong with so many people now days. They think people who work their asses off should pay for other people who refuse to work or work as hard. These people want the government to run their lives because they themselves cant.
 

indyartist

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Short Round said:
haha, please tell me this isn't the guy who called other people bigots! Please!

Anyway, this paragraph is what's wrong with so many people now days. They think people who work their asses off should pay for other people who refuse to work or work as hard. These people want the government to run their lives because they themselves cant.
you are correct. Its just another way of spreading the wealth around which is totally unfair to people who work their butts off and pay their taxes just so it can cover people who are lazy asses.
 

HovitosKing

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Like it or not, that's today's America. Love it or leave it. You're the new minority. Tell me how so many of us lazy people without jobs (my non-job is R&D with the US Dept. of Defense by the way) can live so well off of so few hard-working, upstanding Americans? I can't wait to sit back and reap the benefits of your hard work. What is it you do, exactly? Let's continue this moronic discussion over a cup of instant tea, bought with your hard-earned tax dollars of course. You two sound like you're trying to discuss a topic you've only heard mommy and daddy talk about. You have no idea how this country actually operates, and how very few people fit that mythic description of the lazy, jobless American leech. Do you two even know how this country's tax system works? :whip:

Stop letting high-powered lobbyists and backwood politicians make all your decisions for you. They're not really thinking of you when they go to sleep at night. ;)
 
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HovitosKing

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Short Round said:
haha, please tell me this isn't the guy who called other people bigots! Please!

Anyway, this paragraph is what's wrong with so many people now days. They think people who work their asses off should pay for other people who refuse to work or work as hard. These people want the government to run their lives because they themselves cant.

Apparently none can run his own life. I want the government to run mine, you want God to run yours. At least that which I choose actually exists. You're throwing coins into a wishing well. Yes, I'm mocking you.
 

monkey

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HovitosKing said:
It's political posturing and fear mongering (a la Joseph McCarthy)

Good one HK! Good jab. OUCH!

But Joseph McCarthy WAS a great American.

Anyway, I agree with many of your opinions. I Even agree that it would be a good idea to do away with both Christianity and Islam. But I don't much care for the Jewish influence that dominates America either. And these days the Jews playing the Christians and Muslims against each other is getting a lot of young Americans killed.

Why do away with two controlling influences, and let the third (most dangerous) go on?

I do agree with your idea of WHY NOT pay for good infrastructure? I also don't see the logic in people who object so violently to the Government taxing them in order to provide essential services. Do those people want to hoard their Money in a lawless society without Police? (they'll eventually have to pay anyway for their own mercenaries to protect them). Do they want to count their Money as their house burns to the ground because there is no Fire Department? Do they want to drive their luxury cars on roads filled with pot holes?

I don't get it.

What I DO get is Patriotism, and Nationalism; something that these kind of people DON'T get.
 

HovitosKing

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Not to mention the fact that public healthcare already exists in this country, and it wasn't the brainchild of the antichrist socialist nazi [insert whatever here] Obama. Anyone associated with the military receives health care through TRICARE. I say if it's good enough for our military, it should be good enough to offer as an alternative for the rest of us. God bless America, and God bless our troops. You disagree?
 

monkey

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HovitosKing said:
Not to mention the fact that public healthcare already exists in this country, and it wasn't the brainchild of the antichrist socialist nazi [insert whatever here] Obama. Anyone associated with the military receives health care through TRICARE. I say if it's good enough for our military, it should be good enough to offer as an alternative for the rest of us. God bless America, and God bless our troops. You disagree?

As a recipient of TRICARE, I'm not so sure it should just be offered to everyone.

It is one of the benefits of having served.

It should be earned.

And I certainly agree with Blessing our Troops.

Let's bring them home.
 

Short Round

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HovitosKing said:
Apparently none can run his own life. I want the government to run mine, you want God to run yours. At least that which I choose actually exists. You're throwing coins into a wishing well. Yes, I'm mocking you.

First of all, I'm not in the minority. If you've been paying any attention to the world around you lately you would know this. Secondly, even if I was in the minority, how does that make me wrong? Anyway, I guess you just don't understand taxes. People who make more than others shouldn't be paying for other people just because they make more. This was stressed by the founding fathers of America.

Here's the difference between God and Government: I can MAKE MY OWN CHOICES WITH MY OWN THINGS whereas with the government YOU CAN'T. By believing in God, I try to live according to his principles. I still make my own choices and am not forced to do anything. But, hey, if you want to just hand over your freedoms to the government, be my guess. Just don't try to take down the whole country.Don't try to force people who make more than you do pay for you.

Do you think I care if your mocking me? I'm laughing my ass off at you. You don't care about your life to the point that you would hand over your freedoms to anyone. You, sir, are a bigot as you refuse to accept anyone's beliefs and "mock" people who have different opinions than you.
 

HovitosKing

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monkey said:
As a recipient of TRICARE, I'm not so sure it should just be offered to everyone.

It is one of the benefits of having served.

It should be earned.

And I certainly agree with Blessing our Troops.

Let's bring them home.

I agree completely. I meant public healthcare in general, not TRICARE specifically.
 
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