Hi. I'm new to this forum and this is my first post. Apologies if it is long but I have a question that's really bugging me...
I was just watching Raiders and some things that I had never thought of hit me all of a sudden. Specifically how the Nazis and Belloq wanted to kill Indiana Jones.
Now at the beginning of the movie, after retrieving the Idol, Belloq sends the Hovitos to kill Indy. So that clearly establishes that Belloq wants to eliminate Indy.
Then there is the monkey. The monkey is first seen in Sallah's home, and it becomes clear throughout the movie that the monkey is following Indy and reporting to his master who in turn reports to the Nazis regarding Indy's current location.
First, there is the whole Basket Chase scene. And later there is the poisoning attempt. Both involve the Monkey Man trailing Indy via the monkey and attempts on Indy's life.
But my questions concerns the bar scene interaction between Indy and Belloq. Before the German henchmen come to Indy to tell him to that Belloq wants to see him, you see the Monkey Man drive up on his motorcycle. So it is clear that he has told the Nazis that Indy is there. It is consistent with him reporting to the Nazis just like before the Basket chase.
So the audience knows that they are going to try to kill Indy at the bar (or take him from the bar and kill him somewhere else.) But my questions regard when Indy himself realizes he will be killed:
1) When the Germans come to him while he is drinking and tell him someone wants to see him, does Indy know he is going to be killed?
2) When Indy sees Belloq for the first time seated, and consequently knows that the German henchmen are in with Belloq, does he know he will be killed at that point? He says he should kill Belloq but makes no attempt and sits down. Does he want to hear Belloq out and maybe buy time? Or is he too drunk to make an accurate shot before getting shot himself?
3) During the conversation with Belloq it becomes very clear that Indy is going to die. Belloq basically says that Indy is going to die. So I'm guessing that's why Indy tries to draw his gun and shoot Belloq, because if he's going to be killed he might as well take Belloq with him? And if this then is Indy's motivation at this point, why didn't he draw his gun when he first saw Belloq sitting? (My question #2 above) Also, when Indy escapes you can see the look of disappointment on Belloq's face. So it's clear Belloq wants Indy dead.
Also, are the Arabs in the bar who draw their guns on Belloq's side or are they just patrons. It seems Indy thinks they are just patrons since he says "these Arabs don't care if we kill each other." The scene seems a little ambiguous, especially since they run outside after Indy leaves and are laughing and smiling.
Anyway, I was hoping somebody might have some insight into this scene. Like I said, when they show the Monkey Man pulling up on his motorcycle we the audience know that they are going to try to kill Indy. But when does Indy himself realize this?
Thanks for any input. Like I said this scene is really bugging me.
I was just watching Raiders and some things that I had never thought of hit me all of a sudden. Specifically how the Nazis and Belloq wanted to kill Indiana Jones.
Now at the beginning of the movie, after retrieving the Idol, Belloq sends the Hovitos to kill Indy. So that clearly establishes that Belloq wants to eliminate Indy.
Then there is the monkey. The monkey is first seen in Sallah's home, and it becomes clear throughout the movie that the monkey is following Indy and reporting to his master who in turn reports to the Nazis regarding Indy's current location.
First, there is the whole Basket Chase scene. And later there is the poisoning attempt. Both involve the Monkey Man trailing Indy via the monkey and attempts on Indy's life.
But my questions concerns the bar scene interaction between Indy and Belloq. Before the German henchmen come to Indy to tell him to that Belloq wants to see him, you see the Monkey Man drive up on his motorcycle. So it is clear that he has told the Nazis that Indy is there. It is consistent with him reporting to the Nazis just like before the Basket chase.
So the audience knows that they are going to try to kill Indy at the bar (or take him from the bar and kill him somewhere else.) But my questions regard when Indy himself realizes he will be killed:
1) When the Germans come to him while he is drinking and tell him someone wants to see him, does Indy know he is going to be killed?
2) When Indy sees Belloq for the first time seated, and consequently knows that the German henchmen are in with Belloq, does he know he will be killed at that point? He says he should kill Belloq but makes no attempt and sits down. Does he want to hear Belloq out and maybe buy time? Or is he too drunk to make an accurate shot before getting shot himself?
3) During the conversation with Belloq it becomes very clear that Indy is going to die. Belloq basically says that Indy is going to die. So I'm guessing that's why Indy tries to draw his gun and shoot Belloq, because if he's going to be killed he might as well take Belloq with him? And if this then is Indy's motivation at this point, why didn't he draw his gun when he first saw Belloq sitting? (My question #2 above) Also, when Indy escapes you can see the look of disappointment on Belloq's face. So it's clear Belloq wants Indy dead.
Also, are the Arabs in the bar who draw their guns on Belloq's side or are they just patrons. It seems Indy thinks they are just patrons since he says "these Arabs don't care if we kill each other." The scene seems a little ambiguous, especially since they run outside after Indy leaves and are laughing and smiling.
Anyway, I was hoping somebody might have some insight into this scene. Like I said, when they show the Monkey Man pulling up on his motorcycle we the audience know that they are going to try to kill Indy. But when does Indy himself realize this?
Thanks for any input. Like I said this scene is really bugging me.