Rocket Surgeon
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Being offended is not enough to claim racism.JuniorJones said:
There has to be more to racism that eliciting an emotional response.
Indiana Jones films: racist?
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There has to be more to racism that eliciting an emotional response.
JuniorJones
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Montana Smith said:I always found the Sultan funny.
If it was a US sit-com there'd be canned laughter to remind the audience not to take him seriously.
Really? I can't remember the last time middle class liberal lefty Alexis was even slightly amusing. 'tatcher' gags just didn't do it after 1984.
The scene.might has been funny if ' John got a new mot-a'
Prehaps Rocko didn't find it funny as the thought this is how Sultans act?!
JuniorJones
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Rocket Surgeon said:
It is for starter. Then its the intrepration of the law.
I'm talking about being offensive in the context of another culture being degraded at the expense of another. Is clear in TOD this was the case, mean't or not, as the story needed that context.
What's the logical response in identifying racism?
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JuniorJones
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Mickiana said:
Well, if I was a sultan I'd be offended at the feeble minded stupidness I was portrayed!
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JuniorJones
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Who's offened by the below and remember keep those emotions in check.
Nooooooooooo! Even snowy!!
Nooooooooooo! Even snowy!!
Rocket Surgeon
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JuniorJones said:
Doesn't sound stupid to me...Sultan said:
Denigrating a culture is offensive, so is making false accusations.JuniorJones said:
Are they racist?
My contention has always been they never represented the culture as a whole in Temple of Doom.JuniorJones said:
That Pankot had changed and was now spreading evil was not only clearly established in dialog but it's the point of the film.
I don't understand the question, could you narrow it down?JuniorJones said:
I don't think there's any one perfect answer...especially when dealing with human nature.
You must have me confused with the kind of person who is more stupider.JuniorJones said:
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Rocket Surgeon
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I don't see racism in any of the films, opposed to someone who does, certainly there is a differing sensibility.JuniorJones said:
A valid grevience requires validation. So far the only thing proferred to that end is a government ban and selected films from the genre roughly half a century past...these hardly validate racism in Temple of Doom.
There is nothing in the film which makes claims of the Indian culture as a whole.
Indirectly? How about directly?JuniorJones said:
What gave you the impression they thought of Indiana Jones as a god, white or otherwise?JuniorJones said:
By what you've written I'd say you're looking for something that just isn't there.
I think Shiva, (identified as the deity) is portrayed as blue.JuniorJones said:
So no.
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JuniorJones
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Rocket Surgeon said:
He was a silly, shallow sterotypical hollywood view of a foreigner.
rocko said:
If they were about my race and culture in such a misleading representation. Then, Yes.
I guess when this was done it was seen as a fair representation of black people. I can't imagine why anyone would be offended.
rs said:
The above image does not respresent black people but we know who it is. So why would the representation of Indian's be any less racist!
rs said:
I am focusing on the representation of race. The subtext of the overall film is irrelevant.
rs said:
I can't imagine not having an emotional response to racism but logic would kick in to translate that. I was wondering, like yourself, what that could be if you can't be emotional.
rs said:
This guy?
(oh! Curious George how you have fallen...)
We know it's not really Obama , so it's just funny. Right?
JuniorJones
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Rocket Surgeon said:
Your sensibility hasn't been offended.
Banning doesn't help anyone. Accept they have racist overtones and discuss.
There is nothing in the film which makes claims of the Indian culture as a whole.
rs said:
How can it be interperated as not being what it is?
rs said:
That's part of the racist subtext.
rs said:
I mean't they treated him as a god. A white good.
Rocket Surgeon
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He was a shrewd, shallow, stereotypical hollywood view of an amoral capitalist.JuniorJones said:
Once again, the film makes the clear distinction that what you are seeing is radical change, Pankot Tradition. Not a representation of the entire race and culture. Any such sweeping generalizations are your own.JuniorJones said:
I'm not interested in guessing. Where is the racism in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom?JuniorJones said:
This all begs the question, what representation of any single person COULDN'T be racist?! To you that is...JuniorJones said:
Pictures are powerful though...hats off
Here's one to chew on:
There is no comparison compadre.
Dialog is not subtext, neither is the varied portrayals pictured above...and there are more.JuniorJones said:
Am I racist for not including them, or is this notification satisfactory?
Emotion is only the problem when it is the only explanation.JuniorJones said:
Rocket Surgeon
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No, you claim there are racist overtones. There is no ulterior, implicit meaning or quality, no implication or hint regarding race.JuniorJones said:
You're trying to establish race as a subtext, and you can certainly discuss the film in those terms, (because we are) just as the film can be interpreted mathematically through ones and zeroes, (because it is)...in which case the expression for racism in Temple of Doom is called a Null Value.
Null Value.JuniorJones said:
Define racism.
EXACTLY! There is none!JuniorJones said:
How did they treat Short Round?JuniorJones said:
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"All the best basketball players were white, Dirk Nowitzki, Larry Bird, Pistol Pete Marovitch"
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More Indians than not found the portrayal of their people and culture in Temple inoffensiveRKORadio said:
Another thing I think we can all agree on is that what is offensive to people isn' t always rational. Caucasian or not.
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Rocket Surgeon
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Temple has all sorts of problems...racism just isn't one of them.
White British?!
White British?!
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Not by me.RKORadio said:
In the same way I hope I'm note hated either, but I can live with it, need be.
You should do something to remedy that...ASAP.RKORadio said:
I understand Raiders is screening at Biondi Beach in February and Temple at the Astor in St Kilda January 28th...
I just hope you didn't vote yet!
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Montana Smith
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Rocket Surgeon said:I'm not interested in guessing. Where is the racism in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom?
Here's one to chew on:
So what images does the world of Temple of Doom present?
Helpless Indians who prayed for assistance and presumed the white 'hero' was the answer to their prayers.
An educated Indian in western dress. Oxford education obviously convinced him to dress in the manner of his 'civilized' white masters.
An effeminate Indian boy kept as a puppet Maharajah.
A dead Indian, since Indiana Jones hadn't arrived in time to save him.
An evil Indian Thug who worships "an evil goddess".
An evil Indian psychopathic manipulator.
Indians in the employ of the British Empire under the dfirection of a white officer.
A helpless Indian woman grateful for the assistance of Indiana Jones for returning her child to her.
And you missed out the Indian dinner guests with their disgusting eating habits.
Where in Temple of Doom are the positive images of Indians? Where is the hope for self-empowerment outside of white domination?