George Lucas tweaks Star Wars yet again

AndyLGR

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Going back to previous mentions of the sandstorm scene in ROTJ, its definitely featured in the blu ray trailer, so hopefully we get to see it.

Personally speaking I'd love to see a version with all the deleted scenes added back in to the movies. So basically at the main menu you would get the option to watch the normal movie or to watch them with the deleted scenes re-inserted. I remember the original DVD release of Die Hard gave viewers that option.
 

kongisking

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Moedred said:

Believe it or not, I let out my own Big No upon reading about the new NOOOOOOO! I felt a little piece of my soul shatter, that tiny piece of soul that thought there might still be some good left in George. Now it's burned away. Lucas has officially lost his standing in my mind. Goodbye, the credibility of Star Wars.

Oh, how I can imagine the fanboys' heartbreak over this.
 

JP Jones

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kongisking said:
Believe it or not, I let out my own Big No upon reading about the new NOOOOOOO! I felt a little piece of my soul shatter, that tiny piece of soul that thought there might still be some good left in George. Now it's burned away. Lucas has officially lost his standing in my mind. Goodbye, the credibility of Star Wars.

Oh, how I can imagine the fanboys' heartbreak over this.
I don't think that was official, so that probably means George had nothing to do with it.
 

Henry W Jones

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I'm excited about this set. I have the original print and the two other prints from 97' and 04'. While I am sick of buying the series, I like most (not all) the changes. There where some continuity issues in the previous versions that should be fixed. While Phantom Menace is the worst of the Star Wars movies fixing the horrible Yoda puppet is gonna make it little more enjoyable and I think they advertising over 40 hours of bonus material. Plus my set is a b-day gift so I'm not even out any $$$$$$ But I agree Lucas needs to find print of them he likes and stop tinkering. Can you imagine a painter goes to a museum and see a piece they painted, they decide at the viewing they want to change the painting 20+ years later, they go home, grab supplies, go back to the museum, and repaint their work. That's kinda what George does with SW. An artist at some point turns his/her art over to the public and that should be that. The only reason I cut SW a little slack is the time period between production on the two trilogies. I do have an issue with unnecessary changes like Greedo shooting first.
 

emtiem

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I don't know if anything is 100% confirmed (although where fans would have got those 'no's from, I don't know), and I thought I'd hate the 'no' thing when I heard about it, but watching that clip... well I think it works.
 

AndyLGR

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Making Yoda CGI in TPM is a big plus, the puppet they used originally looked awful.

I think those no's by Vader in ROTJ work for me.
 

TheMutt92

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Back in 1988...

http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-speaks-altering-films-1988/

My name is George Lucas. I am a writer, director, and producer of motion pictures and Chairman of the Board of Lucasfilm Ltd., a multi-faceted entertainment corporation.

I am not here today as a writer-director, or as a producer, or as the chairman of a corporation. I?ve come as a citizen of what I believe to be a great society that is in need of a moral anchor to help define and protect its intellectual and cultural heritage. It is not being protected.

The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created.

A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as ?when life begins? or ?when it should be appropriately terminated,? but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.

These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with ?fresher faces,? or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor?s lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new ?original? negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be ?replaced? by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.

There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.

I accuse the companies and groups, who say that American law is sufficient, of misleading the Congress and the People for their own economic self-interest.

I accuse the corporations, who oppose the moral rights of the artist, of being dishonest and insensitive to American cultural heritage and of being interested only in their quarterly bottom line, and not in the long-term interest of the Nation.

The public?s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work.

There are those who say American law is sufficient. That?s an outrage! It?s not sufficient! If it were sufficient, why would I be here? Why would John Houston have been so studiously ignored when he protested the colorization of ?The Maltese Falcon?? Why are films cut up and butchered?

Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.

I hope you have the courage to lead America in acknowledging the importance of American art to the human race, and accord the proper protection for the creators of that art?as it is accorded them in much of the rest of the world communities.
 

Raiders90

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I think George Lucas has this inner resentment for what Star Wars did to his career. He wanted to make pretentious art films like THX and instead he got pigeonholed into making what he felt were dumb popcorn films. I think he even, back in the 70s, said something about the audience being dumb. So there's probably some resentment there and he's trying to sabotage those films and ruin them and give his finger to the people who like them. In his mind maybe, if Star Wars is ruined, his reputation as a "sell out" (from the independent artsy community) is redeemed.

He has to know the fans HATED the "NOOOOOO" in ROTS...So what does he do? He inserts TWO MORE "NOOOS" in the middle of what fans consider the most emotional scene in the trilogy.

The man is like an internet troll.
 

JP Jones

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Raiders112390 said:
I think George Lucas has this inner resentment for what Star Wars did to his career. He wanted to make pretentious art films like THX and instead he got pigeonholed into making what he felt were dumb popcorn films. I think he even, back in the 70s, said something about the audience being dumb. So there's probably some resentment there and he's trying to sabotage those films and ruin them and give his finger to the people who like them. In his mind maybe, if Star Wars is ruined, his reputation as a "sell out" (from the independent artsy community) is redeemed.

He has to know the fans HATED the "NOOOOOO" in ROTS...So what does he do? He inserts TWO MORE "NOOOS" in the middle of what fans consider the most emotional scene in the trilogy.

The man is like an internet troll.
I'm sure that's the case.:rolleyes:
 

HovitosKing

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Raiders112390 said:
I think George Lucas has this inner resentment for what Star Wars did to his career. He wanted to make pretentious art films like THX and instead he got pigeonholed into making what he felt were dumb popcorn films. I think he even, back in the 70s, said something about the audience being dumb. So there's probably some resentment there and he's trying to sabotage those films and ruin them and give his finger to the people who like them. In his mind maybe, if Star Wars is ruined, his reputation as a "sell out" (from the independent artsy community) is redeemed.

He has to know the fans HATED the "NOOOOOO" in ROTS...So what does he do? He inserts TWO MORE "NOOOS" in the middle of what fans consider the most emotional scene in the trilogy.

The man is like an internet troll.

What a great way to demonstrate your pretentious artsy side...openly spurning the mass audience in favor of the small indie crowd when everyone expects, nay demands, the opposite. If you ask me, he was given the chance to make a statement. Instead, he chose to make money. Lots and lots of money. This is his own doing, if he hates anyone other than himself for his "pigeonholing" he's delusional.
 

dr.jones1986

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kongisking said:
Believe it or not, I let out my own Big No upon reading about the new NOOOOOOO! I felt a little piece of my soul shatter, that tiny piece of soul that thought there might still be some good left in George. Now it's burned away. Lucas has officially lost his standing in my mind. Goodbye, the credibility of Star Wars.

Oh, how I can imagine the fanboys' heartbreak over this.
I agree and I was never a big critic of any of his previous changes. This time he has gone to far. Part of what made that scene so awesome is that Vader just acts and kills the emperor. Without saying a word or seeing his face you can tell what he is thinking inside his helmet. I really don't like that change.
 

kongisking

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dr.jones1986 said:
I agree and I was never a big critic of any of his previous changes. This time he has gone to far. Part of what made that scene so awesome is that Vader just acts and kills the emperor. Without saying a word or seeing his face you can tell what he is thinking inside his helmet. I really don't like that change.

It sucks because, just a mere few posts ago, I stated that Lucas's changes, up until now, were mostly fine with me! And then he goes and does this? What, did he read my post and decide, "Huh, I've got one person defending me? I'll do something REALLY bad to make this Kong punk hate me too!"

Damn you George. Damn you, damn you, damn you, damn you!
 

JP Jones

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Without getting too passionate, I'm going to ask everyone to shut up with the extreme hate to Mr. Lucas. This change is one f*cking word. It doesn't change a thing! I like the guy, and I know that he's not a money hungry cash cow and I know he's not the anti-christ. There are some changes I don't like (Max Rebo), but the guy shouldn't "burn in hell" or be "damned" just for that. LEAVE IT GO!
 

QBComics

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JP Jones said:
Without getting too passionate, I'm going to ask everyone to shut up with the extreme hate to Mr. Lucas. This change is one f*cking word. It doesn't change a thing! I like the guy, and I know that he's not a money hungry cash cow and I know he's not the anti-christ. There are some changes I don't like (Max Rebo), but the guy shouldn't "burn in hell" or be "damned" just for that. LEAVE IT GO!

While saying that George should 'burn in hell' is a bit much, it does change the movies, and for the worse. That scene was very powerful without having Vader to blatantly shout out his feelings, and it's diminished with him screaming 'Nooooo!'.
 

dr.jones1986

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kongisking said:
It sucks because, just a mere few posts ago, I stated that Lucas's changes, up until now, were mostly fine with me! And then he goes and does this? What, did he read my post and decide, "Huh, I've got one person defending me? I'll do something REALLY bad to make this Kong punk hate me too!"

Damn you George. Damn you, damn you, damn you, damn you!
I feel the same way, I am one of the few that didn't mind his changes until now. This one goes too far and does change the mood of the most pivotal scene in the movie and one of the most important in the entire saga.
 

JP Jones

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I think people have become so intolerant to these changes that even if the lighting is tinkered with, we're going to hear "lost his mind" and "raped my childhood". The arguments I'm hearing are strait up bullsh*t, and the hate has gone too far.
 
Ditto

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Yea! Ewoks blink!

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The_Raiders

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There's no way in hell Lucas is so stupid to realize that Vader yelling "nnooooo" in ROTS was a terrible mistake. He's gotta be throwing it in there again on purpose. But I kinda see it working better in ROTJ than ROTS where he's just kinda stumbling around like Frankenstein. Either way I don't approve though. At least the blinking ewoks is a bit more inconspicuous.

EDIT: I've always (to an extent) approved of the changes made to the original series. As far as cleaning them up, and adding in a few little treats here and there, and actually using CGI for things that he wasn't able to do back then that he really wanted in there. But Vader yelling "No" is just too far. Who knows, maybe he's like me. You film something and can't do much with it at the time, and when you learn how to edit it properly you go back and add in a bunch of crap just for fun.
 
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