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Old 10-14-2016, 07:10 PM   #576
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It wouldn't surprise me a whit if McNeely were given marching orders in the form of temp music.

Regarding this: did Laird work on the Phantom Train movie, by any chance? Perhaps, he might have some recollections on what kind of temp music might have been used?
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Old 10-15-2016, 11:55 AM   #578
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Clarification: I want to merge the post I made at the top of this page with the last post I made on the previous page.
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Old 01-01-2017, 08:39 PM   #579
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Dig More identified tracks!

Was hoping to get this out before the new year, but better late than never. Happy 2017, everyone!

Good news: I've managed to identify five more elusive tracks! The bad news (sort of) is that only four of those five are from Young Indy. That's right, I made a blunder, and included music from the feature films, albeit still unofficially released. We can cross off track #20 from our list and just keep it 'on the back burner' so to speak. "Entering the Nepalese Temple" is in fact the alternative track to Raiders' "Indy Rides the Statue", but to the best of my knowledge it has never been included in an official release of the film's soundtrack (nor does it appear in the actual film). Curiously, a YouTuber by the name of 2041 Productions has uploaded this very piece, take a listen:



The original source might've been from a bootleg of the recording sessions or something. I have not been able to find out for sure. Does anybody know the true source of this music? Either way, its cool to know that SoK is rich with unreleased music from beyond the TV series - amazing, when you consider the vast library of music the game's developers had access to! I wonder what other forgotten gems might be scattered throughout the game ...

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Onto Young Indy:

1) I would like to make a correction to track #3, which plays during the second half of the Sudan mission's combat tutorial. A while back, Tash pointed out that some unused music from Attack of the Hawkmen appears briefly, here. At the time, I was not able to identify this new music, so I just sort of brushed it off as an extension to the already existing "Dogfight with the Red Baron". Further examination of the video has lead to me discover that Tash is in fact, correct. While "Dogfight" is predominantly featured, it is mixed with roughly forty-five seconds of the unreleased "To the Chateau". Here's a breakdown with the video for reference:



Walkthrough Duration: 14:03 - 16:12

Track Breakdown:
i) "Dogfight w/the Red Baron" (previously released on DVD) 14:03 - 14:51
ii) "To the Chateau" (unreleased) 14:51 - 15:24*
iii) "Dogfight w/the Red Baron" (resumes) 15:24 - 16:12

DVD Duration: 0:24:25 - 0:25:00* ("To the Chateau" plays during the short scene where Hobey Baker takes off in his biplane to rescue Indy, who had just been shot down by the Baron Von Richthofen!).

2) Another suite was arranged for track #12, Panama mission's "Mayan Astronomy Puzzle", this time using music from Oganga: The Giver and Taker of Life/Congo, 1917. The unreleased portion in question is exactly fifty-two seconds from "Petty Bureaucrat With a Gun". It is mixed with two previously released tracks, "Rostand's River Arrest" and "Delirious Indy".



Walkthrough Duration: 13:20 - 15:43

Track Breakdown:
i) "Rostands' River Arrest" (previously released in Lego Indy 2) 13:20 - 14:00
ii)"Petty Bureaucrat w/a Gun" (unreleased) 14:00 - 14:52*
iii)"Delirious Indy" (previously released in Lego Indy 1) 14:52 - 15:43

DVD Duration: 1:17:41 - 1:19:38* (All of these tracks, except "Delirious", are used during the night-time arrest of Albert Schweitzer. It is unfortunate that there is still approximately one minute of material missing from "Bureaucrat", because that preceded by "River Arrest" and arranged with OST #2's "Albert Schweitzer, Prisoner of War", would have made the score for this climactic scene complete).

3) A little more streamlined; track #14, Istanbul's "Third Descent Into the Catacombs" relies on "You Look Uncomfortable" from Trenches of Hell/Germany, 1916. It too does not appear to be in it's complete form as only one minute of its run time can be heard in the walkthrough (in the episode, it clocks in around two and a half minutes).



Walkthrough Duration: 21:01 - 22:08

DVD Duration: 0:54:54 - 0:56:17 ("You Look Uncomfortable" is used for the scene when Capt. Heinz confronts and intimidates Benet in the prisoner's quarters. Benet retorts: "It must be that smell Captain Heinz. The smell of Germany, the armpit of Europe!" P.S. I mean no ill will to any German people).

4) Finally, we have yet another piece from Daredevils of the Desert; track #21, Nepal's "Solving the Reed Basket Riddle" is from an unreleased track which I named "Thirsting for Water" (not very original I know, I am open to any other suggestions) .



Walkthrough Duration: 6:57 - 7:33

DVD Duration: 0:47:51 - 0:48:24 (As suggested by the made up title, this is a scene where the British and Australian Lighthorse Regiment are subjected to the sweltering Arabian sun while on the trek to Beersheeba. They are literally thirsting for water because they're supply is almost dried up and their horses are perishing in the desert).

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That's it for now! I hope that despite not owning the actual game, I have been able to provide so far, the best possible, clear and concise guide that I can muster. Please don't hesitate to holler down below if you have any questions or concerns, as I would be happy to address them! Also, I would like to know if scene descriptions (like the kinds made in this post) for each of the identified tracks would be helpful in understanding their episodic context? Some of my earlier finds don't have them, as you may be able to tell. On a different matter, would you guys also like a complete updated list with these recent changes implemented? For that, I would post it in my separate thread here.

Cheerio,
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Old 01-02-2017, 01:11 AM   #580
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Awesome work! I'll try and add this data to the youngindianajonesmusic.com site at some point.
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Old 02-06-2017, 05:09 PM   #581
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Dig More "Hawkmen" Discoveries

Tash, 2 more blanks filled for "Hawkmen" (I’ve updated the cue list. More additions for the website!)

Famous Dancing Girl Piece: (The Can-Can music when Indy & Co. pick up Nungusser in Paris):
"Galop Infernal" from "Orpheus in the Underworld", Jacques Offenbach (1858)

Classic German Piece? (The music when Baron von Richthofen sees his new Tri-plane):
"Das Deutschlandlied". Music written by Joseph Haydn (in 1797) and eventually adapted to become the German National Anthem in 1922. (Do any Germans have more information to add?)
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Old 02-08-2017, 08:04 PM   #582
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I've added the findings by flyingace1939 and Stoo into the spreadsheet and/or site. Thanks!
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Old 05-04-2017, 04:47 PM   #583
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Just an FYI, extracted Staff of Kings audio files are out there.
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Old 09-28-2017, 04:44 AM   #584
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I've just recently finished watching through the series for the first time and really enjoyed it, especially the music. While the four soundtrack volumes are great they are far from complete. I'm glad that the Young Indiana Jones music site exists and I do have all of the sources except the DVD games, but I was just wondering if the site is simply for listing the music or is there going to be some kind of fan release once everything's been checked? I'm only asking because I want to know if I start working on my own edits there wont be a superior and more complete version posted later on?

Also, does anyone know if the music for the final scene in "Love's Sweet Song" when Indy says goodbye to Miss Seymour is available at-all?
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Old 09-28-2017, 03:18 PM   #585
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I was just wondering if the site is simply for listing the music or is there going to be some kind of fan release once everything's been checked? I'm only asking because I want to know if I start working on my own edits there wont be a superior and more complete version posted later on?

Hi CGCJ! Welcome to the Raven and thanks for posting your question! I think you may want to check this out: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsd...-0bQUsVBtlHQIA

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Also, does anyone know if the music for the final scene in "Love's Sweet Song" when Indy says goodbye to Miss Seymour is available at-all?

That cue is adapted from an Irish folk tune, "The Minstrel Boy" (aka "The Son of God Goes Forth to War").

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGIvR5Lz-3Q

The version heard in the episode is sadly not available, but there are some instrumental variations of the original song online which come close:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPbrsC6rOFQ

Hope that helps!
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Old 04-03-2018, 10:29 AM   #586
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Question Anyone know this piece from “Mexico, 1916”?

I was listening to the Indy Cast episode that Laird, Stoo and Tash did to commemorate the series’ 20th Anniversary (a great entry, btw. Good job, guys! ).

Something that caught my interest: towards the end of the podcast, a music piece that Laird credits as the “City Attack” from Spring Break Adventure/Mexico, 1916 plays for a little while. Have a listen to it here (time code is 0:58:47):

http://www.theindycast.com/indycast-...h-anniversary/

Curious, I’ve never heard this track before and its not cited in the episode cue list on the Young Indiana Jones Music website. Just wondering where you guys came across this track? It’s a really breathtaking piece, (available in high-quality format too, it seems) and I would love to add it to my collection of unreleased music! Thanks!

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Old 07-02-2018, 06:18 PM   #587
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Steve Bramson has updated his home page, and it includes different clips for Treasure of the Peacock's Eye

"One Last Adventure" (1m20s) - We had a slightly shorter edit (59s) available as the end credits, and had tentatively named it "Goodbye For Now"

"The Letter" (0m58s) - We have a longer (2m39s) version c/o the "Hunting for Treasure" game on the DVDs. The longer version includes both the scene where Indy reads the letter from Ms. Seymour and when Remy first gets out the map.

"Finding the Treasure" (4m27s) - Previously we had only two 30s clips. This covers following the German from the hotel through when he surprises Indy and Remy in the temple. Boo ya!
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Extremely grateful for the notification, Tash! I managed to download the .mp3s so if anyone wants 'em, feel free to PM.

"The Letter" is alway pleasant (but sad) to hear. Coupled with the circumstances, it's a powerfully moving piece. Great to have a longer version (with proper title) of the end credits but most importantly is this super long version of "Finding the Treasure". It's a treasure, found!

Bramson had a touch for this, no doubt about it. (No doubt you also clicked on the "next" button and heard his stuff for Scooby-Doo. )

The Internet: The Gift That Keeps On Giving! Thanks again, InexroableTash!
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Wow, that's amazing. Thanks InexorableTash! Just a shame he didn't add "It Stops Here", such an important cue that's almost completely ruined by the horrible compression on the available version.

I know that I'm new here but I do have an actual contribution, here's some cue titles that I've come across in various music repertoire sites:

Eight Days [Joel McNeely]
Here We Go [Joel McNeely]
The Whole Squadron [Joel McNeely]
Fokker's Valet [Joel McNeely]
Caught [Joel McNeely]
The Filing Cabinet [Laurence Rosenthal]
Briefing [Curt Sobel]
Travel to Romania [Curt Sobel]
Tower of Tortures [Curt Sobel]
Stabbed in the Back [Curt Sobel]
Indy, the Hero [Joel McNeely]
I Speak German [Joel McNeely]
Poultry Farm [Laurence Rosenthal]
I've Worked It Out [Laurence Rosenthal]
Oil Refinery [Laurence Rosenthal]
Oil Escape [Laurence Rosenthal]
Blow Torch [Laurence Rosenthal]
Bar Fight [Joel McNeely]
Indy's Jazz [Laurence Rosenthal]
Advancing on Chateau [Frederic Talgorn]
The Tunnel [Frederic Talgorn]
Flame Throwers [Frederic Talgorn]
Readying for Battle [Frederic Talgorn]
It's My Duty [Frederic Talgorn]
Spanish Riding School [Laurence Rosenthal]
Across the Rooftops [Laurence Rosenthal]
Soda Fountain [Laurence Rosenthal]
Blow Up the Wells [Laurence Rosenthal]
Talking in Constable [Laurence Rosenthal]
Aristoltle and Plato [Laurence Rosenthal]
The Gate Crasher [Laurence Rosenthal]
China Dreams [Raymond Egan/Gus Kahn/Egbert Van Alstyne]

Jesu Joy of Men's Desiring [Johann Bach/Joel McNeely]
Indy's Jazz [Laurence Rosenthal]
Young Indy (Title Theme) [Laurence Rosenthal]
She's Wonderful Too [Joel McNeely]
Sounds Like Perfection to Me [Joel McNeely]
Soda Fountain [Laurence Rosenthal]
Blow Up the Wells [Laurence Rosenthal]
Talking in Constable [Laurence Rosenthal]
Aristoltle and Plato [Laurence Rosenthal]
The Gate Crasher [Laurence Rosenthal]
Wrong Compartment [Laurence Rosenthal]
Frau Schultz [Laurence Rosenthal]
Mister Max [Laurence Rosenthal]
Frederick is Dead [Laurence Rosenthal]
Eight Days [Joel McNeely]
Here We Go [Joel McNeely]
The Whole Squadron [Joel McNeely]
Fokker's Valet [Joel McNeely]
Caught [Joel McNeely]
Indy and Lawrence [Laurence Rosenthal]
Two Days Only [Laurence Rosenthal]
Indy Bargains [Laurence Rosenthal]
The Retreat [Joel McNeely]
Son of Airplane Chase [Joel McNeely]
Mother of All Chases [Joel McNeely]
Don't Take Spies Alive [Joel McNeely]
Bird Watching [Laurence Rosenthal]
Flim Flam [Laurence Rosenthal]
The Documents Are Real [Laurence Rosenthal]
Carrier Pigeons [Laurence Rosenthal]
Indy & Schiller [Laurence Rosenthal]
Captured [Joel McNeely]
Train to Alhorn [Joel McNeely]
The Pol Giant [Joel McNeely/Arthur Kembel]
Lost in Africa [Laurence Rosenthal]
I Miss My Dogs [Laurence Rosenthal]
Cage on Fire [Laurence Rosenthal]
Advancing on Chateau [Frederic Talgorn]
The Tunnel [Frederic Talgorn]
Flame Throwers [Frederic Talgorn]
The Stables [Laurence Rosenthal]
The Gift Shop [Laurence Rosenthal]
Burning the Letter [Laurence Rosenthal]
Check Point [Laurence Rosenthal]
Laxenburg [Laurence Rosenthal]
The Thief Foiled [Laurence Rosenthal]
The Filing Cabinet [Laurence Rosenthal]
Indy, the Hero [Joel McNeely]
I Speak German [Joel McNeely]
Poultry Farm [Laurence Rosenthal]
I've Worked It Out [Laurence Rosenthal]
Oil Refinery [Laurence Rosenthal]
Oil Escape [Laurence Rosenthal]
Blow Torch [Laurence Rosenthal]
Bar Fight [Joel McNeely]
Sidi El Jem [Laurence Rosenthal]
Kidnapping [Laurence Rosenthal]
Slave Traders [Laurence Rosenthal]
Bidding for Omar [Laurence Rosenthal]
Searching for the Oryx [Laurence Rosenthal]
Wrong Way, Again [Joel McNeely]
Veldt Voyage [Joel McNeely]
Readying for Battle [Frederic Talgorn]
It's My Duty [Frederic Talgorn]
Spanish Riding School [Laurence Rosenthal]
Donuts - Assembled Troops [Frederic Talgorn]
Across the Rooftops [Laurence Rosenthal]

Sid Plays a Lick [Joel McNeely]
Trumpet Sizzle [Joel McNeely]
Wisconsin Groanin Blues [Joel McNeely]
Curtains of the Night [Laurence Rosenthal]
Duel [Laurence Rosenthal]
Tango [Laurence Rosenthal]
Balkan News Agency [Laurence Rosenthal]
Battle [Laurence Rosenthal]
Dimitri's Lair [Laurence Rosenthal]
Exploring the Tomb [Laurence Rosenthal]
Indy Back in Dorm [Laurence Rosenthal]
Indy Plays Sax [Laurence Rosenthal]
Indy Practices in the Park [Laurence Rosenthal]
Indy Practices in Dorm [Laurence Rosenthal]
Nightwind [Laurence Rosenthal]
The Nile [Laurence Rosenthal]
Pyramids Dress Chase (End Title) [Laurence Rosenthal]
Chopsticks [Joel McNeely]
Godd Notices [Joel McNeely]
Indy Back in Dorm [Joel McNeely]
Dance Montage [Joel McNeely/Lee Musiker]
Tap Audition [Joel McNeely/Lee Musiker]
Inddy Kisses Maggie (End Credit) [Laurence Rosenthal]
Laxenburg (End Credit) [Laurence Rosenthal]
Port Gentile Reprise (End Title) [Joel McNeely]
Reverence for Life (End Credits) [Joel McNeely]
Skating the Prater (End Credits) [Joel McNeely]
Soda Fountain (End Credits) [Laurence Rosenthal]

Avalanche is Better Than None [Joel McNeely]
Alpine Chase [Joel McNeely]
To the Cabin [Joel McNeely]
Indy Finds a Sax [Joel McNeely]

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Old 07-05-2018, 11:27 PM   #590
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Just a shame he didn't add "It Stops Here", such an important cue that's almost completely ruined by the horrible compression on the available version.

I suppose someone could ask nicely via the contact link...

I was thinking of mailing and asking if he could share the names of the tracks. Speaking of track names...

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I know that I'm new here but I do have an actual contribution, here's some cue titles that I've come across in various music repertoire sites:

Welcome back! And thanks for sharing such an intriguing contribution. Can you tell us more about the provenance of these? Are they just "fan made" like most of ours, or are they from some sort of catalog, or ...?

Some look like the composer-supplied names ("The Filing Cabinet" vs. "The Amazing Flight of the Filing Cabinet" from Rosenthal's Music for Television, or most of the Sobel tracks). There seem to be many typos and/or transcription errors - e.g. "The Pol Giant [Joel McNeely/Arthur Kembel]" - we talked about Kempel earlier in the thread; some googling reveals that Art Kempel orchestrated many pieces for McNeely.
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Welcome back! And thanks for sharing such an intriguing contribution. Can you tell us more about the provenance of these? Are they just "fan made" like most of ours, or are they from some sort of catalog, or ...?

Some look like the composer-supplied names ("The Filing Cabinet" vs. "The Amazing Flight of the Filing Cabinet" from Rosenthal's Music for Television, or most of the Sobel tracks). There seem to be many typos and/or transcription errors - e.g. "The Pol Giant [Joel McNeely/Arthur Kembel]" - we talked about Kempel earlier in the thread; some googling reveals that Art Kempel orchestrated many pieces for McNeely.
Well, the titles are all taken from music repertory sites which record the copyright for lots of music/scores, specifically GEMA, Sabam, ASCAP & Buma/Sterma. There may be some typos in there from when I copied them but they're as registered, including the order. It's obvious that they're the original titles, as many of the other scores I've searched for featured their original titles and most of these are not on the official soundtrack releases so the titles can't be from there; the soundtrack releases all have separate entries from these anyway. All credits are exactly as they are in the entries. Just thought that the people here might appreciate them as I wasn't sure if anyone had thought to check these as a source for information. I'm just glad to have actually helped in some way.

Maybe now we can try to figure out which episodes they're from? Here's the original spreadsheet where I collected all of the information (and my guesses as to which episodes they're from), if that helps.

Also double checked the sites and came across some more titles:
Garry Owen End Title [Joel McNeely]
Accordian Source [Joel McNeely]
Pancho Villa's Camp [Laurence Rosenthal]
Curtains of the Night [Laurence Rosenthal]
Gypsy Dance [Laurence Rosenthal]
Wedding Waltz [Laurence Rosenthal]
Russian Village End Title [Laurence Rosenthal]
Patatoe Blooz End Title [Joel McNeely]
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Excellent! Both valuable info and a challenge! I've started the process of updating my master sheet with the names and the catalog numbers. Can you help out?

(FYI, I auto-generate the site tables from the sheet. It's still a bit tediuous so I'll do that when we're mostly complete.)

So far our success rate for guessing track names is pretty good!
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Maybe now we can try to figure out which episodes they're from? Here's the original spreadsheet where I collected all of the information (and my guesses as to which episodes they're from), if that helps.

I've been tracking this both in the master sheet and a copy of your sheet. (Can we merge?) Maybe about half done. A few things have proved useful:

* Recordings of the TV broadcast end credits, that other posters here shared with me in the past. This let me verify that for example the same tune plays when Indy first meets Emperor Karl and during the "Austria, March 1917" TV broadcast end credits, thus nailing down "Laxenburg" and "Laxenburg (End Title)"; ditto for "Soda Fountain"/"Soda Fountain (End Title)"

* Knowing the editing history of some of the episodes. For example, "Daredevils" was originally filmed as a single 45-minute episode and padded out rather than paired with another TV episode. This means many elements of the score are lifted from other episodes and there is a lot of re-use even within the episode, which makes guessing the tracks easier in some cases... but harder in others.

* Where we've already broken down episodes. Kinda obviously, this helps make identifications. Several haven't been tackled at all (e.g. most of the "Little Indy" ones), so that needs to be done first.
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Does anyone have McNeely's version of the truck chase music from Raiders which he re recorded and slightly re arranged for MoTB?
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Does anyone have McNeely's version of the truck chase music from Raiders which he re recorded and slightly re arranged for MoTB?
A clean version has not yet surfaced.

Re. the "Mystery of the Blues / Desert Chase" track:
When DVD Volume 3 was released, I was amazed by how much longer the point-of-view-shot at the start of the episode became...as well as its accompanying music! Can't remember if this has been discussed before but the TV version was obviously shortened whereas the DVD version seems to be extended by 'copy & paste' editing. There's an untouched track out there somewhere...

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I was just wondering if the site is simply for listing the music or is there going to be some kind of fan release once everything's been checked? I'm only asking because I want to know if I start working on my own edits there wont be a superior and more complete version posted later on?
Well, everything is far from being checked off. We've come a long way but new things keep popping up (ex. InexorableTash's recent discoveries). A complete playlist doesn't exist yet. For now, you just gotta kinda follow along and Do-It-Yourself.

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Hi CGCJ! Welcome to the Raven and thanks for posting your question! I think you may want to check this out: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsd...-0bQUsVBtlHQIA
Hey, Ace. Is this your YouTube channel?

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I know that I'm new here but I do have an actual contribution, here's some cue titles that I've come across in various music repertoire sites:
WOW! And what a wonderful contribution it is, CGCJ! Can't thank you enough for chiming in. These titles are an infinite wealth of information...if they're legitimate.

Lots & lots of information to peruse, including..."Patatoe Blooz"?
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