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Old 10-29-2003, 03:48 PM   #1
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Question Will Indy IV be the end of Indy forever?

Do you think there can be an Indy movie without Harrison Ford?
I don't think so. Indy is Harrison, and it really would never be the same.
Young Indy is fun, but it's a world away from Raiders. Will Indy IV signal the end of Indy on our screens forever?
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Old 10-30-2003, 12:55 AM   #2
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Not unless we get an Indiana Jones animated series. Animated chapters released straight to video... Like episodes of a cliff hanger!
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Old 10-30-2003, 06:06 AM   #3
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An animated series is an interesting idea and one I've thought about before. I remember seeing a few stories of the "Batman" animated series years ago, and I thought they were actually pretty good. The animation was okay, but the stories were not bad-- pretty dramatic, actually. I'd like to see an Indy series with that kind of animation.
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Old 10-30-2003, 10:38 AM   #4
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Some of the Batman episodes were very well written and that was the key to the success of that series. An Indiana Jones series done with well thought out story and drama could be fantastic. But what would it be called?

Not Indiana Jones - the Animated Adventures...

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Old 10-30-2003, 08:21 PM   #5
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I don't agree, as long as the story is good and the mcguffin is real, then all ahead go!!
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Old 10-30-2003, 08:53 PM   #6
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Hey, if it brings back the tradition of weekend morning cartoons, I'm all for it (yes, I still watch Looney Tunes on Sunday mornings... ... stop staring).
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Old 10-30-2003, 08:54 PM   #7
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I don't think Indy would work as an animated series because the flavor of the movies relies on stuntwork, thrills,chills and spills and real life gross outs like snakes, bugs and rats. Animated , even CGI, won't cut it because you can do anything with animation....which is why I don't want any CGI in Indy IV because it would be like cheating to create a crypt full of "computer-generated' spiders like the CGI fireants in "Scorpion King" or the creepy crawlies in "The Mummy" of 1999.

I don't think another actor would work like James Bond because James Bond was a character long before Sean Connery stepped into the role on film.....Harrison Ford was the first Indiana and should be the only Indy!!
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Old 10-30-2003, 08:57 PM   #8
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They're going to need CGI to keep Indy's face from going downhill if the series continues. I don't really know about you, but seeing a geriatric guy poking a cane at a villain is not quite what I have in mind... although that would be rather amusing...
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Old 10-30-2003, 09:09 PM   #9
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An Indy animated series would be great, if done well. Batman the Animated Series basically set the bar for an animated series that isn't campy or obviously written with younger kids in mind. It was written without talking down to its audience, and thus got viewers who were much older than just the ones it was originally aimed for. It was dark and cool, and could be appreciated by adults as well as kids. No loud, zany, off-the-wall characters to attract the eye of kids with low attention spans, just well written stories that actually appeal to kids' intellects. If they ever did Indy in animated format, it had damn well better be good, like B:tAS was, though I think it'd probably just turn into a farse.
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Old 10-30-2003, 11:33 PM   #10
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While I agree that the stunts and the live action are what contribute to Indy, I have to admit that when I saw the movies the first time, I was a kid. I didn't care about the ways they made the film as much as the story, the story, the story.

The artifacts were real, the movie extended for me long after the movie... I was thinking of recovering the lost ark, or passing the challenges to the holy grail.

I think there are enough artifacts out there that could be found that are based in history. There are myths and legends that are real.

I think if executed well, stories that examine the real world from an occult point of view could still stir the imagination, even in cartoon. But it would still have to be visual.

and action packed...
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Old 10-31-2003, 09:09 AM   #11
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Personally, I think any attempt to resurrect this franchise will fail, with the sole exception of the novels. Face it, nobody can replace Harrison Ford as Indy, so any visual attempts are doomed except for Young Indy, which has already been done. The novels allow you to construct your own image of Indy in your mind, however, which works well with preserving the image of Harrison Ford cracking the whip. Does any of this make sense???
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Old 10-31-2003, 11:39 AM   #12
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I hear you there Hovitos King, but I also have to add that video games can be great too, because as the technology gets better, the character looks more and more like the original Indy. In a decade or so, I doubt you'll be able to tell the difference between live action and pixilated images. Give Indy a good voice, and the rest can be done with ease, as shown in Emperor's Tomb. Just make sure the plots are well constructed and the character remains intact.
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Old 10-31-2003, 12:00 PM   #13
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After Indy IV, any movies or spin-offs would be hokey. I'm in agreement here: literature and possibly video games are the extent that I would take Indy. He's immortal only as long as he keeps his dignity.
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Old 10-31-2003, 01:14 PM   #14
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I think that Indy IV will be the final movie with Ford in and SS directing

However the character is simply too iconic and franchisable for it to be left gathering dust for too long, i think that within 10 - 15 years the role will be recast and the idea of Indy generally reimagined (i think i started a thread on it, Indiana Jones 2020 or something like that)
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Old 11-08-2003, 01:11 PM   #15
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What would happenb in an animated series would be the same thing that happened in the btman animated series. While the stories were well done, everything started getting very unoriginal and very prefabricated. They will have to start to work to find things for him and eventually you'll start getting those silly things like in Alladan part 3, were they are obviously scraping to find something of interest.
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Old 11-09-2003, 12:20 PM   #16
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I think that Indy 4 will probaly end Indiana Jones on the screen forever. As much as i don't want it to, it probaly will. Because take a look at Harrison, he is already old and i think that this is probaly going to be his last time as Indy, unless he wants to continue. But also at first Lucas didn't want to do another Indiana Jones, but Steven Spielberg and Frank Marshall talked him into it! (im not sure about Frank Marshall, but i think it was him.) And after they talked about it Lucas loved the idea and now it is in the process of being made. But yea, i think Indiana 4 will be the last Indiana Jones for everyone. I mean Lucas, Speilberg, and Ford are all getting old, they even said that themselves! haha. So, i mean unless they do do a cartoon about Indiana (which would be freakin awesome), then this might be the last. With out Harrison Ford as Indiana then there isn't know Indiana, we know that and so does Lucas, Speilberg, and Ford. You can't replace a legend! What do you think?!?
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Old 11-09-2003, 02:32 PM   #17
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Well, many folks won't like this idea. But I would like to see an Indy franchise as with James Bond. Okay, Ford *is* Indy, as Connery *is* Bond. No one else will ever be.
Some of the non-Connery Bonds were really bad, and that would be also the case with non-Ford/Lucas/Spielberg Indy-films, but nevertheless it is something. In 30 years we will look back and say: "Why didn't they try another Indy-film...?".

And I even fear that Indy 4 will not be as good as the first ones. Look what Lucas has done with Star Wars! He musn't ruin Indy. So I think he should probably give it to an "outsider", who knows everything about Indy, but is not Lucas. That way he would feel bound to the original idea, and not try to do it in a modern fashion. Lucas, however, may feel to be forced to re-invent Indy, as he tried with Star Wars ... and ruined it.

I don't care _who_ makes Indy-movies, as long as they _are_ Indy-movies.

This post may seem schizoid in some way, I admit :-))

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Old 11-11-2003, 03:36 AM   #18
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I think that Indy IV will be the final movie with Ford in and SS directing

However the character is simply too iconic and franchisable for it to be left gathering dust for too long, i think that within 10 - 15 years the role will be recast and the idea of Indy generally reimagined (i think i started a thread on it, Indiana Jones 2020 or something like that)

You have to consider that this is not a major studio franchise, like Star Trek for example.

Indy's trademarking belongs to George Lucas and while he will probably be around 2020 I don't think he will just sell out like some studio like that.

For my understanding Lucas after SW and Indy 4 wants to go back to experimental cinema and basically try new things even if it doesn't appeal to the mass market, he might be a bit commercial oriented right now - who wouldn't if one wants to stay independent - but a filmaker is a filmaker at heart and when one gets to a certain age with a certain kind of money you tend to re-evaluate a lot of stuff.
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Old 11-11-2003, 09:32 AM   #19
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Three cheers for Ren..Hip Hip HOORAY! Hip Hip HOORAY! Hip Hip HOORAY! I'm in total agreement. For a series such as this to remain iconic, it must maintain it's integrity. As much as I would like to see ten more Indiana Jones adventures, it would be laughable without the chemistry that made it an adventure movie standard in the first place. To put it another way, we all hopefully shudder at the prospect that Tom Selleck could have played Indy. Now imagine a well-intentioned but doomed-to-second-rate "replacement" for Harrison Ford. Or someone who didn't have that "this is what I want to be when I grow up" slant on the character that Lucas has. While Indiana Jones may be the Rolling Stones of the B-movie adventurers, every good thing must end and end gracefully.
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Old 11-12-2003, 06:11 AM   #20
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I don't agree, as long as the story is good and the mcguffin is real, then all ahead go!!

mcguffin?
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Old 11-12-2003, 06:54 AM   #21
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MacGuffin

McGuffin (aka: MacGuffin or maguffin) is a term for a PlotEnablingDevice, i.e. a device or plot element in a movie that is deliberately placed to catch the viewer's attention and/or drive the logic of the plot, but which actually serves no further purpose - it won't pop up again later, it won't explain the ending, it won't actually do anything except possibly distract you while you try to figure out its significance. More specifically, it is usually a mysterious package or superweapon or something that everyone in the story is chasing.

It is the money taken from the boss in "Psycho"
it is the suitcase in "Ronin"
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Old 11-12-2003, 07:19 AM   #22
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. . .how about Pulp Fiction's mysterious glowing briefcase?
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Old 11-12-2003, 12:13 PM   #23
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They better not add anything for poor Indy. The Young series was TERRIBLY stupid, any other go-ons would kill the adventure. But if you mean life, no way. He drunk, as well as his dad, from the Holy Grail, they live forever.
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Old 11-12-2003, 01:01 PM   #24
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as far as movies go, no harrison ford=no new indy films

I agreed that indy is NOT the kind of series to be passed on from 1 actor to the next. Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones, if you want to do another YIJC kinda thing or something, fine, but mid-aged indy is Harrison FOREVER!



other then movies though, keep em coming! comics, games, books, let's keep indy fandom alive for as long as possible! Indy will always be in our hearts! That's where he belongs, Remember that.
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Old 11-13-2003, 09:55 AM   #25
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YEAH! Thats it! He's already an RPG, i'd like a few of his comic books. But Animated series? That sounds a LITTLE ok. But let me tell you, the game is awesom. It's like a Tomb Raider, only a helluva lot better.
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