Stoo
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No, the swastika represents the party. (The eagle represents something else...)Walton said:It represents the Nazi party.
Right. We don't need to know their individual beliefs. They are the antagonists. They are the bad guys in the story and that is obvious but you are calling ALL OF THEM evil Nazis. (By the way, the Afrika Korps have a pretty stainless record and were never accused of any crimes.)Walton said:None of us definitively knows each soldier's beliefs either way. But we do not need to. Indy doesn't. They are associated with the Nazi party (and its agenda to bring the Ark to Hitler), and knowing that is enough for him.
Why would that lessen Indy's 'hero' status? Regardless of each soldiers' political ideals, they are the force he must fight against in order to get what he was hired for...and, yes, many Germans were ignorant of what they were getting involved in. Speaking of "dummies", your above statement fits the bill quite well!Walton said:And we as an audience have to assume that the soldiers are intelligent and competent men who knowingly aligned themselves with the Nazi party. To me, they seemed to be a threat to Indy, but if you're suggesting they were ignorant of what they were getting involved in, well that makes Indy seem less of a hero and more a bully picking on a bunch of dummies.
Political and military factions are not inextricably linked. An army (of any country) is a tool to be used by each passing government, whether the actions or just or not. They follow orders. The German army grew after Hitler was elected but there is such a thing as 'career soldiers' who chose army life as a profession and were part of it long before Adolf came to power.Walton said:If they joined the military but didn't believe in Nazi ideals, they'd have stayed out of the way. Conscientious objectors always end up at the back of the line pulling kitchen duty. All the soldiers you didn't see Indy pound on...we can make that assumption about them.
We agree, they're not registered. But that doesn't stop them from believing what registered members believe, in part if not in whole. Whether they're "bona-fide" members like Toht is irrelevant. I think that if those who didn't believe in Nazi ideals wouldn't have joined a military associated with the Nazi party.
You are so wrong that I don't even know where to begin...For example, it is well known that Rommel (who eventually commanded the Afrika Korps) did not hold to Hitler's ideals and disobeyed orders to shoot Jewish prisoners, etc. At the time of his death, one of his requests was to have NO political symbols at his funeral.Walton said:...a German who is part of the military at that time likely believes as registered Nazi members do.
Anti-Nazi sentiment within the military was present from the very beginning of Hitler's reign. Why do you think so many attempts were made (BY MEN IN THE ARMY) to assassinate him?
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On Topic: For 2nd place, it's either the fight against the Thug chief or the fight with the Sargeant during the truck chase in "Raiders".