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Old 05-01-2017, 08:06 PM   #26
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Can you expand on that?

Lucas in regards to Star Wars was always very firm that only the ideas that he was responsible for such as the movies and cartoon shows were canon. I have seen in several interviews where he said that even though the writers, game designers etc were given approval to create these licensed stories they did not necessarily represent his vision. He saw the Expanded Universe as a place to borrow ideas from which he did, such as the Wookiees and Trandoshans living in the same star system and their dislike for each other, the names for the planet Coruscant and Dathomir which was home to force using witches. I know some writers got annoyed with this because the Clone Wars cartoon contradicted earlier books and other material. Since selling to Disney all that material is no longer canon except the films and the Clone Wars show and they now have the Lucasfilm Story Group keeping a very neat direction of the naraitive in the new Star Wars stories in all media forms.

Now I have heard him say this in regards to Star Wars, I am not sure what his feelings are for the Indiana Jones "Expanded Adventures" as keeper of the Indycron (timeline of Indiana Jones stories) Leeland Chee used to call them. I know his old friend Hal Barwood was responsible for several Indiana Jones stories so maybe Lucas had more respect for them belonging in the canon compared to some other Indiana Jones material. I am curious if Disney will eventually wipe the slate clean except for the movies and tv show, like they did with Star Wars and allow the Lucasfilm Story Group to be involved in a new Indiana Jones narrative that will be more neat and organized.

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Old 05-01-2017, 11:19 PM   #27
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Lucas in regards to Star Wars was always very firm that only the ideas that he was responsible for such as the movies and cartoon shows were canon. I have seen in several interviews where he said that even though the writers, game designers etc were given approval to create these licensed stories they did not necessarily represent his vision. He saw the Expanded Universe as a place to borrow ideas from which he did, such as the Wookiees and Trandoshans living in the same star system and their dislike for each other, the names for the planet Coruscant and Dathomir which was home to force using witches. I know some writers got annoyed with this because the Clone Wars cartoon contradicted earlier books and other material. Since selling to Disney all that material is no longer canon except the films and the Clone Wars show and they now have the Lucasfilm Story Group keeping a very neat direction of the naraitive in the new Star Wars stories in all media forms.
That's similar, but not exactly, how I heard it. Essentially as I understood it everything in the Expanded Universe was canon, but Lucas/Lucasfilm said that none of that would limit whatever stories they would tell so if future movies or TV caused an Expanded Universe story to fall out of canon, so be it.

That's a bit different than what Disney did (IMO) which was to immediately remove everything from canon and restart.

Regardless, the idea that something Lucas said years ago now limits what Disney will or won't do with Indy is ridiculous. Unless that was written into the contract signed when Disney bought Lucasfilm (and I believe we would have heard about it by now if it had been) all bets are off.
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Old 05-02-2017, 06:53 AM   #28
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That's similar, but not exactly, how I heard it. Essentially as I understood it everything in the Expanded Universe was canon, but Lucas/Lucasfilm said that none of that would limit whatever stories they would tell so if future movies or TV caused an Expanded Universe story to fall out of canon, so be it.

That's a bit different than what Disney did (IMO) which was to immediately remove everything from canon and restart.

Regardless, the idea that something Lucas said years ago now limits what Disney will or won't do with Indy is ridiculous. Unless that was written into the contract signed when Disney bought Lucasfilm (and I believe we would have heard about it by now if it had been) all bets are off.

I think it is impossible to guess what direction they will go until we see what future Disney has planned for Indy. If they plan on ending it with Indy 5 or passing the torch on to an apprentice type character than they will probably leave the earlier expanded adventures alone. If after Indy 5 they recast and tell stories about Indy's earlier days they may discard the old expanded adventures as they did with Star Wars. I would love to see the Lucasfilm Story Group play a role in the future direction to keep the timeline organized as they are doing with Star Wars. In the past there have been too many examples of Indy going after the same artifact twice, contradicting dates in the timeline between different stories etc. I like that aspect of what they are doing with Star Wars.
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Old 05-02-2017, 11:54 AM   #29
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I think it is impossible to guess what direction they will go until we see what future Disney has planned for Indy. If they plan on ending it with Indy 5 or passing the torch on to an apprentice type character than they will probably leave the earlier expanded adventures alone. If after Indy 5 they recast and tell stories about Indy's earlier days they may discard the old expanded adventures as they did with Star Wars. I would love to see the Lucasfilm Story Group play a role in the future direction to keep the timeline organized as they are doing with Star Wars. In the past there have been too many examples of Indy going after the same artifact twice, contradicting dates in the timeline between different stories etc. I like that aspect of what they are doing with Star Wars.


Exactly. This reminds me of the 3-4 different stories in the Star Wars EU about how the Death Star plans were actually stolen. It was confusing and down right annoying. Thank god everything is much more streamlined now.
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Old 05-02-2017, 11:58 AM   #30
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I say they should just go balls to the wall and give it as much action as ToD and with Indy as the guy doing all the action. Spielberg is good enough that he can film around Ford's shortcomings. I say just ignore his age and go for it.
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Old 05-02-2017, 12:53 PM   #31
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Exactly. This reminds me of the 3-4 different stories in the Star Wars EU about how the Death Star plans were actually stolen. It was confusing and down right annoying. Thank god everything is much more streamlined now.

I remember all those contradicting accounts of how the Rebel Alliance got their hands on the Death Star plans. I think one of the real positives of the Lucasfilm Story Group is that the fans are spending their time and money on immersing themselves in stories that are all connected without contradictions. To me this shows a respect for the fan base by spending the time and money to do it the right way. I think the Lucasfilm Story Group has been a real positive regardless of how you feel about the new Star Wars movies released by Disney (personally I loved both). Hopefully whatever Lucasfilm has in store for Indy's future, he will receive the same attention to detail.
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Old 05-02-2017, 01:58 PM   #32
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The novels that had Han and Leia with three kids (twins and another) were sort of wiped away by the subsequent movie that show only one kid named Ben who goes to the dark side. Some of the rest (Grand Admiral Thrawn and his minions) could maybe be rationalized into the time gap between episodes 6&7 including Luke's Jedi academy.

I have to admit that I thought the Resistance looked awfully wimpy compared to the New Republic of the books."

Anyway, back to Indy 5, they'll film in 2018 so it's a year difference. Yes, we could lose him to a real life mishap, but Harrison looks like he can hold together for 12 months or so and get back in front of the camera. Besides, can't wait to hear him say "Honey, it's the years AND the mileage".
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Old 05-02-2017, 03:43 PM   #33
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The novels that had Han and Leia with three kids (twins and another) were sort of wiped away by the subsequent movie that show only one kid named Ben who goes to the dark side. Some of the rest (Grand Admiral Thrawn and his minions) could maybe be rationalized into the time gap between episodes 6&7 including Luke's Jedi academy.

I have to admit that I thought the Resistance looked awfully wimpy compared to the New Republic of the books."

Anyway, back to Indy 5, they'll film in 2018 so it's a year difference. Yes, we could lose him to a real life mishap, but Harrison looks like he can hold together for 12 months or so and get back in front of the camera. Besides, can't wait to hear him say "Honey, it's the years AND the mileage".

The resistance is supposed to be small time compared to the New Republic, which was also in TFA. The only glimpse of it was when we see the capital planet Hosnian Prime obliterated by Starkiller base, which also took out the surrounding New Republic fleet.

Anyway as far as the thread is concerned I do not think we should give up on Harrison (clearly Lucasfilm and the creators have not). I think execution of the movie properly can be done with less physically taxing scenes for an older Indy.
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Old 05-02-2017, 03:51 PM   #34
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I happened to do some research today and hopefully this puts everyone's mind a little more at ease!

Anyway, Harrison's real life father lived until he was 92 - which is a good sign for Harrison.
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Old 05-02-2017, 10:59 PM   #35
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I happened to do some research today and hopefully this puts everyone's mind a little more at ease!

Anyway, Harrison's real life father lived until he was 92 - which is a good sign for Harrison.

And perhaps his father wasn't in as good of shape as Harrison. The dude is a legit beast and is possibly the most healthy man ever for his age. Exercise 7 days a week and eats clean 100% of the time.

At least that's what I've read.
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:49 PM   #36
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Here's the thing though. I hope Harrison lives a long, healthy life.
But let's talk about Harrison's Indy for a minute.
Does anyone really, really in their hearts want to see an Indiana Jones movie where Harrison Ford's Indy is confined to the role of the Narrator, or confined to short segments with either an assistant or his grandkids where he's basically telling the story the way George Hall did in the Young Indy series? Where his partaking in any action is nil, and he's just an old fogie telling stories of his youth? Is that REALLY the note we want to leave his version of the character on?

I'd rather have no movie, than have Harrison humiliated like that. Do you really want to see Harrison's Indy die of old age on screen? Because let's be honest - we all know Disney will do that.
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Old 05-05-2017, 09:21 PM   #37
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Frankly, Harrison IS an old fogie, and his time as Indy is long past. It has been high time for new blood to take on the character for years.
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Old 05-06-2017, 03:33 PM   #38
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Does anyone really, really in their hearts want to see an Indiana Jones movie where Harrison Ford's Indy is confined to the role of the Narrator, or confined to short segments with either an assistant or his grandkids where he's basically telling the story the way George Hall did in the Young Indy series? Where his partaking in any action is nil, and he's just an old fogie telling stories of his youth? Is that REALLY the note we want to leave his version of the character on?
Why can't it be the reverse of the opening of Last Crusade? We see Indy "in media res" in an action scene, conveniently filmed in a way to cover for Harrison's age, then we transition to a flashback that sets up the story. Do that a couple of times during the movie, maybe with a longer Harrison piece that's less action-oriented in the middle. We don't need Harrison Indy sitting in a rocking chair the whole movie but it can be filmed in a way to give us the "illusion" of an active Indy, introduce the new "young Indy", and deal with the fact that Harrison can't realistically carry a whole Indy action film.
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Old 05-06-2017, 09:14 PM   #39
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Pretty sure Harrison can do plenty of action scenes better than most of us on this forum... I haven't seen him sitting in rocking chairs and sipping tea in real life; just a tough, fit guy with some mileage, flys planes and copters, survives and heals from injuries most people would do much worse with. Geeze folks, he's doing fine.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to get in a fist fight with him.
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Old 05-07-2017, 08:19 AM   #40
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Pretty sure Harrison can do plenty of action scenes better than most of us on this forum... I haven't seen him sitting in rocking chairs and sipping tea in real life; just a tough, fit guy with some mileage, flys planes and copters, survives and heals from injuries most people would do much worse with. Geeze folks, he's doing fine.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to get in a fist fight with him.

Haha exactly! The dude is shredded!
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Old 05-08-2017, 06:38 AM   #41
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Here's the thing though. I hope Harrison lives a long, healthy life.
But let's talk about Harrison's Indy for a minute.
Does anyone really, really in their hearts want to see an Indiana Jones movie where Harrison Ford's Indy is confined to the role of the Narrator, or confined to short segments with either an assistant or his grandkids where he's basically telling the story the way George Hall did in the Young Indy series? Where his partaking in any action is nil, and he's just an old fogie telling stories of his youth? Is that REALLY the note we want to leave his version of the character on?

I'd rather have no movie, than have Harrison humiliated like that. Do you really want to see Harrison's Indy die of old age on screen? Because let's be honest - we all know Disney will do that.
Same here, no way do I want to see that. For me one of the mistakes of KOTCS was having Indy look on whilst Mutt was doing sme of the action in the jungle chase whilst Indy and Marion mugged to the camera as he was a chip off the old block. Its an Indiana Jones film, he is the character we want to see immersed in the action.
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Old 05-08-2017, 04:26 PM   #42
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I think the problem here is Spielberg doesn't want to do it anymore, I wouldn't mind Abrams or Brad Bird either is fine by me!

I would say providing Harrison doesn't kill himself flying Harrison will play the part just fine Action and all! with the Two Star Wars Films, Marvel and Pixar I think Disney is making some awesome movies, no worries here from a Disney stand point, like I said this is all on Spielberg, he doesn't seem to have the passion for this. I bet in less then a year, or about a Year we have a new Director. Star Wars TFA and RO were huge grand slams right out of the park. Disney will do right by this. they are hiring fans to make these films, passion projects for nerds who grew up with the series and always dreamed of making these films! bring on a new Director IMHO!
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It would be a bit strange if Spielberg didn't want to do it seeing as he was so excited about doing Indy 5 before it was announced. He even brought it up himself in interviews. And Ford has said he wouldn't want to do it without Spielberg.
I mean of course his opinion could have changed, but if he did indeed do a 180 I'm very curious as to why.
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It would be a bit strange if Spielberg didn't want to do it seeing as he was so excited about doing Indy 5 before it was announced. He even brought it up himself in interviews. And Ford has said he wouldn't want to do it without Spielberg.
I mean of course his opinion could have changed, but if he did indeed do a 180 I'm very curious as to why.
then why the delay? Spielberg keeps signing on to film different films and putting Indy on the backburner. This is not on Disney.
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We don't know for sure that the delayed release date necessarily means the filming has been delayed as well. It's still possible that The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara is what's getting pushed back and he will still film Indy 5 after The Post. That's pretty much what we have to hope at this point.
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Old 05-08-2017, 07:18 PM   #46
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We don't know for sure that the delayed release date necessarily means the filming has been delayed as well. It's still possible that The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara is what's getting pushed back and he will still film Indy 5 after The Post. That's pretty much what we have to hope at this point.
Disney Officially announced Indy 5 was being pushed back to 2020 it was originally going to come out in 2019 why would Spielberg Film in 2018 for a film coming out in 2020 That would be unorthodox? as much as I think Ford at 77 can still do this He is contending with health because of his age, what if he has a stroke or heart attack, or gets Alzheimer's, or God forbid dies from natural or unnatural causes? all these things kind of scares me plus he cant seem to land planes anymore that is kind of scary.
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Disney Officially announced Indy 5 was being pushed back to 2020 it was originally going to come out in 2019 why would Spielberg Film in 2018 for a film coming out in 2020 That would be unorthodox? as much as I think Ford at 77 can still do this He is contending with health because of his age, what if he has a stroke or heart attack, or gets Alzheimer's, or God forbid dies from natural or unnatural causes? all these things kind of scares me plus he cant seem to land planes anymore that is kind of scary.


Pirates 5 - another live action Disney film, filmed 2 years prior to release. It's normal these days to do that for a blockbuster.

Fords biological father lived until he was 92 - Ford will be fine.
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While "normal" is an exaggeration, it is the case for both Pirates 5 and Beauty and the Beast, so there is precedent. The reason studios reschedule things isn't always obvious. We'll just have to see.
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:55 AM   #49
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Ford still looks pretty good in the new Blade Runner trailer. If they film within the next year I think it could work.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:11 PM   #50
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According to the Indycast podcast they are putting Live Action Lion King In Indy's place. this angers me, I am looking forward to Lion King I loved The Jungle Book but I like Indiana Jones more and I think Indy 5 will make way more money at the box office...
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