Jesus' (yes that one) tomb found?

San Holo

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I'm calling bullsht on this one....
JERUSALEM (AP) -- Filmmakers and researchers on Monday unveiled two ancient stone boxes they said may have once contained the remains of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, but several scholars derided the claims made in a new documentary as unfounded and contradictory to basic Christian beliefs.

"The Lost Tomb of Jesus," produced by Oscar-winning director James Cameron and scheduled to air March 4 on the Discovery Channel, argues that 10 small caskets discovered in 1980 in a Jerusalem suburb may have held the bones of Jesus and his family.

One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus," hinting that Jesus may have had a son, according to the film. (Watch why it could be any Mary, Jesus and Joseph in those boxes )

"There's a definite sense that you have to pinch yourself," Cameron said Monday at a news conference. He told NBC'S "Today" show earlier that statisticians found "in the range of a couple of million to one" in favor of the documentary's conclusions about the caskets, or ossuaries.

Simcha Jacobovici, the Toronto filmmaker who directed the film, said that a name on one of the ossuaries -- "Mariamene" -- offers evidence that the tomb is that of Jesus and his family. In early Christian texts, "Mariamene" is the name of Mary Magdalene, he said.

The very fact that Jesus had an ossuary would contradict the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven.

Most Christians believe Jesus' body spent three days at the site of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem's Old City. The burial site identified in Cameron's documentary is in a southern Jerusalem neighborhood nowhere near the church.

In 1996, when the British Broadcasting Corp. aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims. Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.

"They just want to get money for it," Kloner said.

Shimon Gibson, one of three archaeologists who first discovered the tomb in 1980, said Monday of the film's claims: "I'm skeptical, but that's the way I am. I'm willing to accept the possibility."

The film's claims, however, have raised the ire of Christian leaders in the Holy Land.

Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film's hypothesis holds little weight.

"I don't think that Christians are going to buy into this," Pfann said. "But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."

"How possible is it?" Pfann said. "On a scale of one through 10 -- 10 being completely possible -- it's probably a one, maybe a one and a half."

Pfann is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun." Ancient Semitic script is notoriously difficult to decipher.

Kloner also said the filmmakers' assertions are false. "The names on the caskets are the most common names found among Jews at the time," he said.

William Dever, an expert on near eastern archaeology and anthropology, who has worked with Israeli archeologists for five decades, said specialists have known about the ossuaries for years.

"The fact that it's been ignored tells you something," said Dever, professor emeritus at the University of Arizona. "It would be amusing if it didn't mislead so many people."

Osnat Goaz, a spokeswoman for the Israeli government agency responsible for archaeology, said the Antiquities Authority agreed to send two ossuaries to New York, but they did not contain human remains. "We agreed to send the ossuaries, but it doesn't mean that we agree with" the filmmakers, she said.
 

Johan

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One of the many false doctrines that we will continue to see (in the tradition of Da Vinci). They will mislead many and challenge many peoples faith. I don't think this one is an earth shaker...but some people will believe anything.
 
Ya... some people will believe anything...

Like the world only being thousands of years old...
Or that the world was once covered in water....
Or that the human race descended from 2 people....

Or that some guy, once hung on a cross, came back from the -dead-...

Yer right


Some people will believe anything....

*sheesh*


"One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus,""
Has already been refuted as a 'modern' fake.... akin to the so-called Shroud Of Turin....

There was no "Jesus" as the "Bible" tells... it's MYTHOLOGY... and what does Indy say? "We cannot afford to take mythology at face value."

Disagree?? Show me ONE iota of REAL proof...

Here's a picture of me, NOT holding my breath....
 

The Adventurer

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I know this for some time...but I stay out of this...this mean that humans go to kill each other because of religion believes...we are incapable to understand each other opinion in peace. And I hope that if a discussion start on the forum, to prove that we are capable to discuss some facts but don't start with offences or angrilies. Tell your opinion but in the same time respect other opinion...

And for the matter, I look at it with pure curiosity and stay out to have a certain opinion. In the first place the name of Jesus was Emanuel... second, the israely people habit to bury their deads in cloth, not in sarcophages...or anyway it is nothing 100% sure...and not possible to demonstrate nothing because you can not do DNA analisys because you don't have a comparation to make...and the CARBON date is not 100% certain...it only showes only approximate date...

But I ask...did the americans get on the moon?...many say "sure"...but are voices that say "no"...what about a fact that happened so long time ago...

And one more thing...in the end all of as are going to know what is there or if it is nothing...for now I look forward to Indy 4 and a few real life adventures...Carpe Diem! ...family, friends, life...forum fellows...Good bless us! (...or whoever you want...the Creator, the Nature, the Univers Unknown Powers or your self-awareness)
 

JEEP

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Seen from a professional point of view, the ways James Cameron reaches his conclusions has nothing to do with real science and research.

I would have no trouble believing this to be the grave of the actual Jesus (whom I believe to be a historical figure) - but it will have to take more than a name on a coffin, which by the way can be translated/interprited in more than one way, to convince me.

James Cameron is not a scientist - he is a show man, looking for attention and money.


/Jakob
 

Pale Horse

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ClintonHammond said:
Has already been refuted as a 'modern' fake.... akin to the so-called Shroud ....


The Shroud is fake? Or the claim it is the burial cloth of a man who was crucified?
 

Doc Savage

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Sounds like Cameron is trying to ride on The DaVinci Code's coattails. Look all you want, gentlemen, you won't find His bones or their box...those bones are alive and well, and "not one of them was broken."
 
"did the americans get on the moon?...many say "sure"...but are voices that say "no""

Sure there are voices that say no... and they are idiots! The same as people who still want to believe that the world is flat, or hollow... Or any other of a host of medieval stupidstitious nonsense...

One may as well believe in Lock Ness monsters and boogymen (other than Marky Mark that is....)

The evidence that Americans landed on the moon is overwhelming and irrefutable... and the speculations of a few crackpots cannot change the facts.

(whom I believe to be a historical figure)
Then lets see the overwhelming evidence... I won't hold my breath...

There are no faeries in the garden.

"you won't find His bones"
Ya.... because they never existed. One may as well try to find the bones of Santa Clause... or the Tooth Fairy....
 

Doc Savage

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ClintonHammond said:
(whom I believe to be a historical figure)
Then lets see the overwhelming evidence... I won't hold my breath...
Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, countless others...more historical documentation of Jesus as a person than of Julius Caesar.
ClintonHammond said:
"you won't find His bones"
Ya.... because they never existed. One may as well try to find the bones of Santa Clause... or the Tooth Fairy....
Just addressed that one...the question isn't whether they existed but where they are presently.
 
additional... (sorry for the double post)

There was talk about this "Jesus Tomb" 10+ years ago... and it was bullflop then.... now that it has James Cameron attached to it, it hasn't gained any credibility...

If people took to recycling paper the way they've taken to recycling bollocks, there'd be 43.6% more trees on the planet.

(Remembering that 64 % of all statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4% of people believe them whether they are accurate statistics or not
)

Edit... Cross post
"more historical documentation of Jesus as a person"
Lets see any of it... and mythology doesn't count... cause I could use mythology to state that the dome of the sky is held up by three dwarves.... It wouldn't make it a fact....

Besides... the Flying Spaghetti Monster said there was no Jesus... so there must not have been.

For something more entertaining... I direct the Raven posters to visit... http://www.rationalresponders.com/ Take THE BLASPHEMY CHALLENGE!
 
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Doc Savage

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ClintonHammond said:
...now that it has James Cameron attached to it, it hasn't gained any credibility...
Nor could it. Even with Ron Howard, Tom Hanks, or Sir Ian...(who would make a great Indy villain, by the way...)
 

The Adventurer

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ClintonHammond said:
The evidence that Americans landed on the moon is overwhelming and irrefutable... and the speculations of a few crackpots cannot change the facts.
I don't say no, but the americans who sustein that idea say other thing...you try to explain them one, two or three times...if they don't get the point and you continue to argue, that mean you have a problem and try to convince yourself about that fact...or you (not you Clinton, I speak in generally) become like "the inquizition" who tried to convince someone by all methodes about their "absolute truth"...I never like extreams...
 
What was it Mr Miyagi said?

"Walk on left side of road, o.k.... walk on right side of road, o.k... Walk middle of road, squalch.... squish like bug."

Not all viewpoints, not all ideas, not all opinions are even remotely equal.... The few crackpots that try to say there were no moonlandings are safely dismissed outright. (Along with, say, the people who try to say that ancient Egyptians couldn't have built they pyramids without help from aliens or Atlanteans or some other fairy-tale.... )

With a powerful enough telescope you can LOOK and see the stuff we left up there, not to mention all the stuff that we brought back that could have ONLY come from the moon.

Their objections warrant no attention in the least.
 

The Adventurer

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...it is not me who you must try to convince about that...I bring this in discution only to show that people have always different opinion on the same facts;)...
 
I'm not trying to convince you!

:)

I'm not even interested in trying to convince them... There's no point... Some people are so firmly entrenched in their own blindness that they wouldn't see if you gave them eyes.

They say the same thing about me, but that just exhibits just how little they understand about anything.
 

indyt

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IndyJohan said:
One of the many false doctrines that we will continue to see (in the tradition of Da Vinci). They will mislead many and challenge many peoples faith. I don't think this one is an earth shaker...but some people will believe anything.


Thats exactly right InyJohan. It is interesting (along with the DaVinci code) that so many things are popping up to challenge ones faith and bring doubt in ones mind. Satan knows he does not have much time left so he is working double time. With these events one wonders if we are really in the end times.
 

indyt

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They can look for the bones all they want. They will not find them because of the resurrection. (Oh, and yes He was resurrected)!
 
"Satan knows he does not have much time left so he is working double time."
Well, you know what they say about idle hands....

"if we are really in the end times"
Wanna bet some money on it? Ya... didn't think so...

For everyday that it doesn't happen, give me a dollar... if it ever does, I'll give you 5X that much back.

(Oh... wait... is that solicitation??? LOL!)
 

San Holo

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It seems like every year, at either Christmas or Easter time, we are subjected(by the media,"experts", ect.) to a "new discovery" that tries to disprove Jesus' acts or even his existence. Are they just trying to make money, or is it something more sinister?
 
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