Bashing Crusade on IMDb
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Darth Vile
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Last Crusade is a movie of two halves. First half is pretty drab and continues where TOD left off... but as soon as they get to the castle and Henry Jones Senior is introduced, the movie is propelled forward (in terms of pace, dialogue, acting and overall quality). Whatever shortcomings it has in the first half e.g. young Indy, escape from Venice etc. they are excused by a great second half (which contains most of my favorite Indy moments)...
Whilst Raiders will always be the pinnacle for Indiana Jones, I find Last Crusade the easiest and most enjoyable Indy movie to sit and watch.
Whilst Raiders will always be the pinnacle for Indiana Jones, I find Last Crusade the easiest and most enjoyable Indy movie to sit and watch.
Dr.Sartorius
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IMDB is a great source for movie info. But I can't believe there's actually
people who give a **** about the meanigless movie ratings by IMDB users
and the comments on its forums. Its always been a haven for trolls, spammers,
and haters.
people who give a **** about the meanigless movie ratings by IMDB users
and the comments on its forums. Its always been a haven for trolls, spammers,
and haters.
Stoo
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Last Crusade = Overrated?
*BUMP* (I didn't read the IMDB comments because I don't care about them. Just bumping this thread instead of creating a new one.)
"Skull" gets ripped to shreds and "Doom" is often bashed but "Crusade" seems to be untouchable...revered by many & criticized by few. While I enjoy the movie as a whole, it was disappointing back in '89 for several reasons. At the time, Montreal Gazette film critic, John Griffin, headlined his review with, "Spielberg saves his best for last". Reading that was a big what-the-hell? moment and one I'll never forget.
Joining the Raven in 2005 became an eye-opening experience because I was shocked at how many people consider it to be their favourite Indy film. This fact continues to amaze me, 6 years later.
*BUMP* (I didn't read the IMDB comments because I don't care about them. Just bumping this thread instead of creating a new one.)
"Skull" gets ripped to shreds and "Doom" is often bashed but "Crusade" seems to be untouchable...revered by many & criticized by few. While I enjoy the movie as a whole, it was disappointing back in '89 for several reasons. At the time, Montreal Gazette film critic, John Griffin, headlined his review with, "Spielberg saves his best for last". Reading that was a big what-the-hell? moment and one I'll never forget.
Joining the Raven in 2005 became an eye-opening experience because I was shocked at how many people consider it to be their favourite Indy film.
This fact continues to amaze me, 6 years later. For starters, I DESPISE this scene! In '89, it almost made me want to spit. What a hokey, groan-fest...StoneTriple said:
WilliamBoyd8
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IndyJones5183
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I love the Last Crusade.Why would anyone want to bash that film.
Rocket Surgeon
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Cause it's a lame ripoff of a cheesy 60's TV show?IndyJones5183 said:I love the Last Crusade.Why would anyone want to bash that film.
There are a few "references which Last Crusade makes to S1 E020 of Batman from 1966.
Better Luck Next Time includes Catwoman uniting artifacts which together give the elusive answer to the lost treasure of Captain Manx. She even makes a rubbing of the "map" etched onto the "markers."
The other glaring rippoff is the ultimate fate of Cat Woman.
She refuses Batman's request to drop the bag full of treasure and Batman's attemp to help her as she clings to the side of a chasm in a cave.
Guess what happens to her?
The sequels were always increasing in "camp" value, but what a joke!
Mentioned my hatred of the Dunn and Duffy snake in another thread too.
The airplane in the tunnel is so poorly done. They promoted George Gibbs and he says in interviews he was in over his head...shame.
The effects in Raiders were done so well, from Matte Paintings to "ghosts."
Rocket Surgeon said:Cause it's a lame ripoff of a cheesy 60's TV show?
There are a few "references which Last Crusade makes to S1 E020 of Batman from 1966.
Better Luck Next Time includes Catwoman uniting artifacts which together give the elusive answer to the lost treasure of Captain Manx. She even makes a rubbing of the "map" etched onto the "markers."
The other glaring rippoff is the ultimate fate of Cat Woman.
She refuses Batman's request to drop the bag full of treasure and Batman's attemp to help her as she clings to the side of a chasm in a cave.
Guess what happens to her?
The sequels were always increasing in "camp" value, but what a joke!
Mentioned my hatred of the Dunn and Duffy snake in another thread too.
The airplane in the tunnel is so poorly done. They promoted George Gibbs and he says in interviews he was in over his head...shame.
The effects in Raiders were done so well, from Matte Paintings to "ghosts."
It sounds like you're hating Crusade just to hate it. Pretty much nothing in Raiders isn't a homage to something or other (Secret of the Incas is a good place to find a lot of this).
There's a difference between expressing your own personal dislike (and accepting others don't feel the same way), and going off on a tirade.
Rocket Surgeon
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Ironclaw said:
What is it?
Ironclaw said:
So Last Crusade is a "homage" to Batman?
...oftentimes excusing of a fault doth make the fault the worse by the excuse.
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Rocket Surgeon
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Ironclaw said:
Because you can't carry on a conversation?
If only more people would take your reflection seriously when they have nothing to contribute as well.
Montana Smith
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Ironclaw said:
Why so serious?
Rocket Surgeon said:So Last Crusade is a "homage" to Batman?
If Indy V is a homage to The Dark Knight then I'd be happier with the prospect of it!
For the record I really liked TLC, don't mind the Pilatus going down the tunnel, but the special effects beforehand were a bit rough.
Montana Smith
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From t'other thread, as this is where the hot discussion on this should be. 
http://www.tv.com/batman-1966/better...de_recap;recap
That last line also has TLC resonances: "He comes from a broken home."
Since "Better Luck Next Time" was recycling old ideas, the way Indy has always recycled pulp, it was probably all coincidental.
Maybe.
I wouldn't call it my favourite (as they all merge together
), but as with all of them there are some iconic Indy moments: the big one in TLC was him throwing Vogel off the airship, and the fear with which the passengers afforded him for that ballsy act.
http://www.tv.com/batman-1966/better...de_recap;recap
That last line also has TLC resonances: "He comes from a broken home."
Since "Better Luck Next Time" was recycling old ideas, the way Indy has always recycled pulp, it was probably all coincidental.
Maybe.
Stoo said:
I wouldn't call it my favourite (as they all merge together
), but as with all of them there are some iconic Indy moments: the big one in TLC was him throwing Vogel off the airship, and the fear with which the passengers afforded him for that ballsy act.
Nurhachi1991
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Why does everyone thin The Dark Knight is the modern Citizen Kane? It in all honesty was not that great in my opinion sure the action was good the acting was nice but overall I have only watched it from start to finish 3 times... and ive watched KOTCS dozens of times and it's still awesome
Rocket Surgeon
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Ironclaw said:
You don't even know?
So much for conversation/debate.Cry me a river sweetheart, or formulate a decent answer/rebuttal.
Montana Smith said:That last line also has TLC resonances: "He comes from a broken home."
Since "Better Luck Next Time" was recycling old ideas, the way Indy has always recycled pulp, it was probably all coincidental. Maybe.
I'd have to say it went further than recycling.
Nurhachi1991 said:
Wow, would love to hear your take on Citizen Kane! Crystal Scum is bubble gum, starts out sweet and gets tough to chew really quick. Batman may as well be the Citizen Kane of "superhero movies." It requires an entirely different type of patience and attention to enjoy than Skull.
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Darth Vile
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Nurhachi1991 said:
I'm not sure 'everyone' does. I think for some, the success of The Dark Knight, was affirmation that liking superhero/comic book movies can be taken seriously (ergo its popularity becomes self fulfilling). In my opinion, I welcome the fact that TDK was a huge success for Nolan (who I think is a really good film maker)... however, I actually think Batman Begins is far superior.
It's difficult to compare TDK and KOTCS; as one is intentionally made to be lightweight, fun... and as Rocket Surgeon puts it "bubble gum" like in its disposability. The other is more complex, more serious and is intended to be more intellectually challenging. However, although I still think it's a good movie, I find TDK to be somewhat overblown and dare I say it... dull for large sections. I think TDK is a more intelligent movie and has a more compelling narrative, but I actually find KOTCS to be simply more entertaining to sit through (as I do with the other Indy sequels)... but that's partly because I prefer the Indy universe.
Rocket Surgeon
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Ironclaw said:
Gary/Arthur Kensington, Jr. poons another noob!
Anyway, the way they neglected sequels like crusade was a "homage" to the way suits cut the budgets on Planet of the Apes sequels.