Is every Indy fan a Bond fan?

Joosse

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It is a well documented fact that Indiana Jones originated from the desire of George Lucas and Steven Spielberg to make Jems Bond type movies. So James Bond is in a way the father of Indiana Jones, beautifully illustrated when Sean Connery played Indy's father in LC.

Untill this day I have also never met an Indy fan who didn't like James Bond as well. But it did get me curious.

Does everybody here like James Bond as well?
 

Montana Smith

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I never found Bond to be a very engaging character, so viewed the movies just as a vehicle for stunts and, of course, lovely ladies. I always rooted for the villains, so it was disappointing when Bond destroyed the villain's cool lair.

In the light of reviewing what appeals to me about Indy, I may go back a re-watch the Bond movies, and try to find some appreciation of them.
 

Joosse

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Well Attila, there's so much more for you out there to enjoy then!

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Believe me, my friend, you will love it!

Montana, thank you for that interesting comment.

May I ask you wich of the Bond movies you have seen? In my opinion, Roger Moore doesn't make for a very good Bond and is in no way as identifiable with as Sean Connery or Daniel Craig.

But then again, that may only be my opinion. There seem to be quite a lot of people out there who do enjoy Roger's performance. And he is indeed a very nice man.
 
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Montana Smith

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Joosse said:
Montana, thank you for that interesting comment.

May I ask you wich of the Bond movies you have seen? In my opinion, Roger Moore doesn't make for a very good Bond and is in no way as identifiable with as Sean Connery or Daniel Craig.

But then again, that may only be my opinion. There seem to be quite a lot of people out there who do enjoy Roger's performance. And he is indeed a very nice man.

I've probably seen all of them from David Niven's Casino Royal up until the one before Daniel Craig took over. I haven't seen any of Craig's Bond films, but understand he's probably closer to Fleming's character.

A lot of the recent ones (pre-Craig) are forgettable, and feel as though they're going through the motions just to cash in on the name. I prefer the fact that there's only been 4 Indy movies in 28 years, which goes towards making them more special.
 

DocWhiskey

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I'm not a huge Bond fan.

I've only seen 5 or 6 of the films but I really do enjoy them. My friend is a huge Bond fan and I got him into Indy last year or so. He really loves the films now.
 

Peru1936

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I'm not a Bond fan. I've seen several of the films, most of which are simply ridiculous, and think generally the stories and characterizations are bland, and the adaptions from the novels terrible. I doubt a Bond film would enter my top 100 favourite films list (if I were astute enough to make such a list...).

I don't like Connery as an actor. I think that although his Bond films have the best stories, he wasn't the best Bond. I think Brosnan was the best Bond, but his Bond movies are absolutely dreadful, and mostly unwatchable.

The primary difference between Indy and Bond is in their introduction. One was introduced through film, the other through books, and so as I see it, Indy has the far better (and far fewer) films while Bond has a slight edge on the books (Fleming's originals, that is).

With that said, while I do enjoy Fleming's stories, I'm still not a Bond fan.
 

emtiem

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I am; I think they're very similar film series with action and wit being their main selling points, although Indy went a slightly more sentimental route with the main character: you'd never see Bond's family in a Bond film. Generally Bond films are interested less in Bond as character as the Indy films are as interested in Indy.

Although I love the Bond series as a whole, I don't think there's a single Bond film as strong as Raiders, or any of the Indy films, actually. They're brilliantly crafted.
 

Pale Horse

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Attila the Professor said:
I've only gotten around to seeing <I>Goldfinger</I> personally, so I can't claim to be a fan.

There are a only a handful that can sum up the 007 mythos. That's a good one to have under your belt.
 

Forbidden Eye

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To me, Indy has always been the colorful and richer alternative to Bond. Bond to me has always been pretty bland(referring to the movies as I have never read the book).

Kinda sad when the best James Bond movie is North by Northwest.

There's also a side of me that gets disappointed that the potential of making Indiana Jones a true serial and make a film every 2-6 years the same way Bond does never came to fruition. Sure, it probably would mean a lot more mediocre Indy films the same way there are a lot of mediocre Bond films, but there was always a lot more you can do with Indy than Bond.
 
Forbidden Eye said:
Kinda sad when the best James Bond movie is North by Northwest.

That IS sad...

I'm Bond fan, but picking and choosing prepared me for KotCS.

View to a Kill, have never, WILL never waste my time.

From Russia with Love, Goldfinger, etc are entertaining, just not as appealing as Raiders...

Daniel Craigs turn is getting closer.
 

Crack that whip

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I can enjoy Bond, and I've actually seen nearly all the movies, but I'm not a fan by any stretch.

Though it's true there are a number of Bond connections to Indy, I'd actually have thought a lot more Indy fans would be big fans of Star Wars, if anything.
 

Gobi-1

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I may actually like James Bond more then Indiana Jones. They're certainly cinematic equals in my book.
 

Goonie

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Bond fan here. Got all the movies on DVD, including Never Say Never Again, and the original Casino Royale.

So, who can name all the actors in the Indiana Jones series (movies and Young Indy) that were in James Bond movies?:D

Sean Connery - Henry Jones - Last Crusade - 1st James Bond in MGM series
Daniel Craig - Schiller - YIJ: Daredevils of the Dessert - 6th James Bond in MGM series
John Rhys-Davies - Sallah - Raiders/Last Crusade - Living Daylights (Gen Pushkin)
Julian Glover - Donovan - Last Crusade - For your Eyes Only (Kristatos)
Isaach De Bankolé - Sgt. Barthelmy - YIJ: Oganga, The Giver and Taker of Life - Casino Royale (Steven Obanno)
Jeffrey Wright - Sidney Bechet - YIJ: Mystery of the Blues/Scandal of 1920 - Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace (Felix Leiter)

This is all I can think of. Any others?
 

Montana Smith

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Rocket Surgeon said:
I'm Bond fan, but picking and choosing prepared me for KotCS.

Rocket, what's your top pick of the Bond movies - which one would you place closest to Raiders?

From my impression of the Bond films I've seen, none of them come close to the engaging nature of an Indy movie.
 

Goonie

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Goonie said:
Bond fan here. Got all the movies on DVD, including Never Say Never Again, and the original Casino Royale.

So, who can name all the actors in the Indiana Jones series (movies and Young Indy) that were in James Bond movies?:D

Sean Connery - Henry Jones - Last Crusade - 1st James Bond in MGM series
Daniel Craig - Schiller - YIJ: Daredevils of the Dessert - 6th James Bond in MGM series
John Rhys-Davies - Sallah - Raiders/Last Crusade - Living Daylights (Gen Pushkin)
Julian Glover - Donovan - Last Crusade - For your Eyes Only (Kristatos)
Isaach De Bankolé - Sgt. Barthelmy - YIJ: Oganga, The Giver and Taker of Life - Casino Royale (Steven Obanno)
Jeffrey Wright - Sidney Bechet - YIJ: Mystery of the Blues/Scandal of 1920 - Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace (Felix Leiter)

This is all I can think of. Any others?

One more I thought of:

Michael Byrne - Vogel - Last Crusade - Tomorrow Never Dies (Admiral Kelly)
 

Attila the Professor

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As I say, I've only seen one Bond film, but Alison Doody's first film was A View to Kill. A View to Kill's cast also included David Yip, known to Indy fans as Wu Han.

Also, Vic Armstrong, Harrison Ford's double for the initial trilogy, doubled for George Lazenby in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, which makes him, apparently, the only man to portray both Indiana Jones and James Bond. The other prominent stunt man from the trilogy, Pat Roach, was in Never Say Never Again.

And then there's Christopher Lee, who plays Scaramanga in The Man With the Golden Gun and Count Czerin in the Austria 1917 segment of Adventures in the Secret Service. Max von Sydow was Blofield in Never Say Never Again and was Sigmund Freud in the earlier Vienna 1908 segment of Perils of Cupid. Julian Fellowes was Churchill in Love's Sweet Song and appeared in Tomorrow Never Dies. Michael Kitchen, who portrayed David Lloyd George in Paris 1919/Winds of Change was Bill Tanner in GoldenEye and The World is Not Enough.

Philip Stone, our Captain Blumburtt, had a bit part in Thunderball. Ravil Isyanov, Sergei of Petrograd 1917, also from Adventures in the Secret Service, had a bit part in GoldenEye. Terry Richards, the Arab Swordsman from Raiders, apart from portraying the Bavarian in Austria 1917/Adventures in the Secret Service, had a bit part in Tomorrow Never Dies.

Doing stunts in GoldenEye were Perry Davey, who was the clown Zoltan in Phantom Train of Doom, and Graeme Crowther, who was Harper in the same Young Indy film. Crowther also did stunts for A View to Kill, The Living Daylights, For Your Eyes Only, The World is Not Enough - and both Temple of Doom and Last Crusade. In a similar vein is Sean McCabe, who seems to have been a stunt double in almost every Young Indy film, had bit parts in two of them, and did stunts for GoldenEye and The World is Not Enough. Nigel Fan was Ah Pin, the cart driver, in Peking 1910/Journey of Radiance, and did stunts for Tomorrow Never Dies.

Wow, I just spent over an hour doing that. I'd put money on there being at least a handful more, though, especially for stuntmen. The ones whose names I happened to check were more flukes than anything else, and there's probably one or two notable character types in the Young Indy's that I missed too.

Oh, and if anyone were to start a Sherlock Holmes thread - geez, you'd find a lot of crossover. Also Shakespeare adaptations, obviously.
 
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