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Old 06-15-2012, 12:20 PM   #151
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i heard on ''the feed"' on ''Attack of the show"' today that a rumored re-release of the ''marvel's Avengers will be out in August. it will be a director's cut and will be 3 hrs long.
it is not a money grabbing scheme, but josh whedon's original vision of the movie, that he wanted to be seen.
whether it will be also on the bluray is to be seen. right not it is just a rumor .

Yes, it is an extra 40 minutes when Captain America's motorcycle breaks down and The Hulk and Thor fix it... for 35 mintues while Iron Man's in suit espresso makers boiler is on the fritz....
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:31 PM   #152
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i heard on ''the feed"' on ''Attack of the show"' today that a rumored re-release of the ''marvel's Avengers will be out in August. it will be a director's cut and will be 3 hrs long.
it is not a money grabbing scheme, but josh whedon's original vision of the movie, that he wanted to be seen.
whether it will be also on the bluray is to be seen. right not it is just a rumor .

i bet its more boring Hawkeye, ScarJo, or Shield scenes
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:01 PM   #153
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i bet its more boring Hawkeye, ScarJo, or Shield scenes

Ya know, some people would see this as cause for rejoice, as it would be giving more depth to those particular characters.
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Old 02-25-2013, 01:52 AM   #154
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Have you seen the animated "Ultimate Avengers" movies? They're excellent. If the actual film is half as cool, we're in for some awesomeness.

Now I have.

Just watched Ultimate Avengers and UA: Rise of the Panther. While not up to the level of the comics in terms of artwork and depth of story, they're definitely a step in the right direction.

Watching the second one gave me a feeling of old school meeting new school. Wakanda reminded me of the lost cities that appeared in the Tarzan cartoons.

They were both good films, and not having seen the live action Avengers movie, but being familiar with the Hot Toys action figures, I was sensing this was the storyline that gave rise to it.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:46 PM   #155
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Now I have.

Just watched Ultimate Avengers and UA: Rise of the Panther. While not up to the level of the comics in terms of artwork and depth of story, they're definitely a step in the right direction.

Watching the second one gave me a feeling of old school meeting new school. Wakanda reminded me of the lost cities that appeared in the Tarzan cartoons.

They were both good films, and not having seen the live action Avengers movie, but being familiar with the Hot Toys action figures, I was sensing this was the storyline that gave rise to it.

This movie made me hope that Panther will become an Avenger in the near future.

Glad you finally caught it, Smiffy. Now, on to the live-action film!
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:11 AM   #156
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Glad you finally caught it, Smiffy. Now, on to the live-action film!

Sometime this year, as I have a Hulk ordered. He's big, but not as big as this:



Now that's a Hulk problem right out of the Ultimates!
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:02 AM   #157
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Having never watched them all before, I'm currently on a Buffy/Angel marathon. And therefore probably one of the last to pick up on the following bit of trivia!

In Buffy Season 4, Episode 1, "The Freshman" (1999), written and directed by Joss Whedon, Xander speaks the line, "Avengers assemble!"


Still not seen the movie yet, but will have that big green moron nevertheless!
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:10 AM   #158
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Glad you finally caught it, Smiffy. Now, on to the live-action film!

A friend leant me the Blu-ray.

Watched the first thirty minutes, and this is the biggest highlight:




The only highlights so far involve Tony Stark (and dialogue with Pepper). And Black Widow for inventive use of a chair.

I liked the fact that Rogers questioned using his uniform. Because he looks like a complete ***** while wearing it!

WW2 Cap in combats as GI Steve could get away with it. The best movie interpretation so far.
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:07 PM   #159
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Well, at least I can cross that one off the list.

Robert Downey Jr. was the Harrison Ford of Avengers Assemble. Meaning that for most of the time he was the only thing worth watching and the only thing saving it from complete collapse.

At least his character had the good sense not to take it too seriously. There were a few other self-effacing lines spoken by other characters, which alluded to the costumed freak show.

When the film attempts to be earnest, with swelling music and misplaced seriousness, it just becomes ridiculous for the wrong reasons.

Best bits were some of the dialogue. Worst bits a lot of the obligatory action sequences.

There was also some very dodgy CGI. Times when the illusion breaks down, first notably so with Iron Man underwater. The Hulk didn't even blend in very well.

None of this glut of Marvel movies has been that good, apart from the first Iron Man.

If it's The Punisher, "Make Mine Marvel!"

If not, I'll stick to DC!
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:23 PM   #160
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If not, I'll stick to DC!

There's more pathos in Black Widow's/Scarlett Johansson's reaction to Iron Man's arrival than in all the DC movies ever made, combined.

Though I won't argue with your technical critique, the Marvel movies have worked on a base emotional level. And just as a soap opera's success grows as it gets deeper and denser, the Marvel films are just going to get better and more successful -- because just people love being in on all the references.
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:11 PM   #161
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There's more pathos in Black Widow's/Scarlett Johansson's reaction to Iron Man's arrival than in all the DC movies ever made, combined.

Though I won't argue with your technical critique, the Marvel movies have worked on a base emotional level. And just as a soap opera's success grows as it gets deeper and denser, the Marvel films are just going to get better and more successful -- because just people love being in on all the references.

I thought the whole thing was very clumsy. Very un-Joss Whedon-like.

I didn't get much sense of pathos from any of the characters because none of them were substantial enough in their world to warrant it.

There was far more craft and much more warranted pathos in the Buffy and Angel series, which makes me feel that Joss was somewhat under the thumb directing this.

Some films are made for families, and some seem made for the age rating on the box. Avengers Assemble certainly felt it was just made with the latter in mind.

It was a light, fluffy, comical Saturday morning punch-up with very little in it to demand a second viewing. I can't say the same for some of the DC movies which intentionally hit a different note.

Funny thing is, Joss said in a 'making of' film that he was going to make the characters more realistic. It looks like he tried because there was some better stuff in the deleted scenes that would have been better left in, such as Rogers' melancholy over his friends who'd passed away while he was frozen (a scene which would have preceded the punch bag).
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:46 PM   #162
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I thought the whole thing was very clumsy. Very un-Joss Whedon-like.

I didn't get much sense of pathos from any of the characters because none of them were substantial enough in their world to warrant it.

There was far more craft and much more warranted pathos in the Buffy and Angel series, which makes me feel that Joss was somewhat under the thumb directing this.

Some films are made for families, and some seem made for the age rating on the box. Avengers Assemble certainly felt it was just made with the latter in mind.

It was a light, fluffy, comical Saturday morning punch-up with very little in it to demand a second viewing. I can't say the same for some of the DC movies which intentionally hit a different note.

Funny thing is, Joss said in a 'making of' film that he was going to make the characters more realistic. It looks like he tried because there was some better stuff in the deleted scenes that would have been better left in, such as Rogers' melancholy over his friends who'd passed away while he was frozen (a scene which would have preceded the punch bag).

You're inconsistent standards never cease to amaze me, big guy. For instance: KOTCS is trash, but Van Helsing is a wonderful romp. Still reeling from that doozy.

Maybe it would be better if you simply stated this kind of movie doesn't fit your taste. Doesn't make it objectively bad.
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:33 PM   #163
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You're inconsistent standards never cease to amaze me, big guy. For instance: KOTCS is trash, but Van Helsing is a wonderful romp. Still reeling from that doozy.

KOTCS wasn't complete trash.

Van Helsing was intentionally trashy.

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Maybe it would be better if you simply stated this kind of movie doesn't fit your taste. Doesn't make it objectively bad.

Very few of these Marvel films fit my taste.

Even with the comics I never bought into that part of the Marvel universe that included Asgard. With Thor, Loki and Asgard being central to the films that becomes something of an issue!

On that point,what was up with Hemsworth’s accent? Sometimes he sounded like he was Irish, and sometimes, as Tony Stark aptly commented, like he was doing "Shakespeare in the park".

Virtually the whole thing was played for laughs, so it’s difficult to insert a genuine sense of pathos here and there. Though it isn’t impossible, as Joss has demonstrated in the past.

Translating the "freak show" (as Banner described it) from comic to film always runs the risk of that thing which offends Stoo so deeply. That everyone looks like a dork so nothing can be taken too seriously, which means that nothing matters and has no consequence. To overcome that dilemma a film needs, for need of a better word, 'craft'. (Something which KOTCS also lacked).

Whedon is usually a master craftsman, but it looks like he put this thing together with a Birmingham screwdriver of Mjolnir proportions.

That must be what's called for with this series. Good for Disney. Makes the prospect of Indy 5 very interesting!
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Old 01-25-2014, 06:28 AM   #164
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Well, at least I can cross that one off the list.

This, dear sir, is what we call padding your post count.

Because you were so disengaged with the picture that you felt obliged to open a browser window, find a YouTube clip, and then post it with your ...uh, half-formed thoughts, I can't spend any time validating or destroying your opinion. Try a single post the next time around after you've sat through the full movie.

While the UK might still be enthralled by skinny birds in leather jumpsuits, the movie is called The Avengers*. Avengers Assemble is a crappy cartoon.

*- I am fully aware of the re-title because there might be some confusion.

The only 'bad' thing about The Avengers: Trying to make Tony Stark the normative head of the team. There's a reason why Cap gets to call the team to assemble.



I could watch that for hours, but that's not the reason why.
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Old 01-25-2014, 06:44 AM   #165
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This, dear sir, is what we call padding your post count.

Because you were so disengaged with the picture that you felt obliged to open a browser window, find a YouTube clip, and then post it with your ...uh, half-formed thoughts, I can't spend any time validating or destroying your opinion. Try a single post the next time around after you've sat through the full movie.

Le Supercilious the Marvel Boy. I wondered when you'd poke your condescending nose in.

Every time I see your name pop up I wonder who you're personally insulting this time.

Maybe a moderator would be so kind as to unite my two posts if it's so important to you, as I'm really not concerned by post count, though obviously there are those that are.

I was thinking of retiring on 9,999.
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