Darth Vile said:Fact is that although 'The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles' look dated today (and I'm not a fan of the edited versions), they are still intelligent and well crafted pieces of television. Some people just want to see Indy fighting Nazi's with huge production value and expensive set pieces rather than a wordy history lesson, which is fine, but really the fault rests with those who have a preconceived/shallow idea of what Indiana Jones should be about...
I'll also level that at those who try and intellectualize their criticism of the Star Wars prequels e.g. it had bad dialogue, poor acting, not well directed etc (which may or may not be the case)... when what they really mean is that there wasn't enough explosions, fighting and general action for them to enjoy it?
I know what you mean. I think that's one thing what seperates the original Indys from other adventure films like Romancing the Stone. Of course, the story was way better, but the picture quality was, too.No Ticket said:It's got more to do, for me, with the fact that when I'm watching it... there's something about the "LOOK" of the film. The picture quality. I don't know how to explain it. It doesn't look cinematic in any way. It just looks funny somehow. If I knew more about film maybe I could tell you what I'm talking about.
A lot of "made for television" movies and some shows have this look and I hate it.
No Ticket said:It's got more to do, for me, with the fact that when I'm watching it... there's something about the "LOOK" of the film. The picture quality. I don't know how to explain it. It doesn't look cinematic in any way. It just looks funny somehow. If I knew more about film maybe I could tell you what I'm talking about.
You're right; it's far more plausible, but the problem with having an alien MacGuffin in an "Indiana Jones" film is the baggage associated with aliens -- baggage, which, ironically, is rooted in the sci-fi B-movies of the 1950s that "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" is supposed to pay homage to.jasperjones said:I have to say, as a non-religious person, the likelihood of aliens existing is far more plausible than the Holy Grail, the Ark with the powers it has in the film or the sankara stones. Out of 9 planets in our solar system One has advanced life in a variety of forms, one species of which is actively trying to visit other planets using space craft and technology. Surely the law of averages suggests that at least one other planet in the universe has a similar situation...
Well, actually there has to be at least one Grail, unless you intend to assume that Jesus never drank anything from a cup. I'm saying that this cup would still exist or have any powers, but one did exist at one time.jasperjones said:I have to say, as a non-religious person, the likelihood of aliens existing is far more plausible than the Holy Grail, the Ark with the powers it has in the film or the sankara stones.
There are only eight planets in our solar system: Pluto got euthanized by the planet vets.jasperjones said:Out of 9 planets in our solar system...
tnswman said:And told me that ANYONE who want's Indy Movies to mirror reality is an IDIOT!!! You forget the reason why you LOVED Indy to begin with and you are just making yourselves miserable!!
You can pick it apart movie by movie, frame by fram and myth bust it al lyou want...the fact remains, They are movies that have NEVER been realistic, NOR will this movie be any different.. what HAS changed is that some of you have outgrown your ability to ENJOY!! And each of you like that are SAD!!
No Ticket said:You act as though there's no such thing as a bad movie. Just because a franchise continues, even if some of the same people are involved, doesn't mean it's not going to bomb.
Batman & Robin. A lot of the same people as Batman Forever. A movie I liked a lot better. But the stuff in B&R was much much more lame. "Alright everybody! Freeze!!" Is not clever. It's lame. And if that was the only pun it would be ok. But NOOO... they crossed the line and had everything every bad guy said be a pun to batman itself or whatever they're character is based on. Poison Ivy to plants or Mr. Freeze to ice/cold puns. Etc. That makes the audience cringe at how dumb the lines are. You think, "That was cheesy." This in turn takes the audience out of the story and is what makes you look at your watch because the movie just sucks.
Rob67 said:Actually, it was a different lead for Batman...which made it really suck. But, wow, all those movies sucked but the first one with Jack and Mike Keaton...just terrible, nonsensical sequals by an inferior director, writers and actors. This does not count the new "prequals" with Bale, etc.
jasperjones said:I know this sounds dumb, considering he's the creator, but from listening to everyone else on the project the message is that the film is consistent in tone with the others...It almost feels like they've gone: :yes George, of course that's what we're doing and just gone and made an Indy film in the same mould as teh others but with alien elements involved...The 50's b-movie is still an Indy film (which have always been b-movies only done with A-movie production values) but with updates relevant to the 50's - Soviets, the atom bomb, Roswell, aliens, etc. You can tell from the trailer that it feels like an Indy movie and there is nothing to suggest b-movie science fiction remake of Indian Jones meets the Thing.
No Ticket said:You act as though there's no such thing as a bad movie. Just because a franchise continues, even if some of the same people are involved, doesn't mean it's not going to bomb.
Batman & Robin. A lot of the same people as Batman Forever. A movie I liked a lot better. But the stuff in B&R was much much more lame. "Alright everybody! Freeze!!" Is not clever. It's lame. And if that was the only pun it would be ok. But NOOO... they crossed the line and had everything every bad guy said be a pun to batman itself or whatever they're character is based on. Poison Ivy to plants or Mr. Freeze to ice/cold puns. Etc. That makes the audience cringe at how dumb the lines are. You think, "That was cheesy." This in turn takes the audience out of the story and is what makes you look at your watch because the movie just sucks.
I've said it before. There's a line. It's hard to judge exactly where it is. But when you cross it, the movie is in trouble. So being cautious about KOTCS having lame lines is just something the lot of us who have seen this kind of thing happen before picked up. It doesn't make us "SAD" as you put it.
There's a "suspension of disbelief" line too. I can believe a lot in Die Hard 4. It was a pretty good movie. But I'm pretty sure that John McClane couldn't take down a fighter jet all by himself without any kind of real weapons.. he was standing on top of it. We've seen how he handled himself in the past, but that moment with the jet took me out of the film to go "That's kind of ridiculous." I can believe him doing a lot of things... but defeating a fighter jet all by his lonesome self? Whatever. They mostly got his character right, but I feel the movie was still flawed compared to the others. And it has nothing to do with losing my ability to enjoy the films. Rambo III is another example where I think, if I remember correctly, Rambo goes up against tanks and helicopters with one or two friends. Don't remember that one as well but still...
A movie sets up how crazy this suspension of disbelief can be as well. It's far easier to believe things like this in The Matrix because we know that it's not real and they can be given super-human like powers. But the previous Raiders pictures all show us that Indy gets hurt pretty realistically... sure he can survive things we'd probably die in but you can't push him too much farther than the edge of believability. So it is, in fact, rooted in reality more so than films like The Matrix. Therefore, there is an element of reality to the movie. No movie is completely realistic because reality is boring.
Ok so my point is, don't tell us we aren't going to like KOTCS. If the movie actually doesn't suck, we should be able to enjoy it no matter what. And if the only way to enjoy it is to ignore the lame stuff. It doesn't change the fact that it was lame... it just means you're in denial. It's either good or it's not. But it IS Indiana Jones. So it will probably be good no matter what. We'll see eh?