The Young Indy Chronicles were really really bad...

KVoss said:
I don't think he's saying the music was BAD...just weak. Lots of stuff is weak when compared to John Williams Indy scores...I for one, love "Young Indy". Not a perfect series, but there was a lot of passion behind it,and as a lover of history,I thought it was great to learn a bit more about it with a character I already love intertwined within those events...Shame it didn't last longer, would have like to have seen the much talked about Belloq/Crystal Skull episode,and Young Indy's first meeting with Abner...;)

Thank you fine sir for getting my back!

It's not bad it's just not good, I haven't seen all the Young Indys but I will, so it's hardly definitive. There's a reason John Williams is so hearalded, his music is UNFORGETABLE. Imagine he wrote the music for the series!

Anyway...I'm interested in checking out the episode that Monty Python Terry Jones directed, the Vampire one, Masks...fan of Ireland's own Bram Stoker and Dracula for that matter. I have a special place in my heart for the Irish so the Easter Uprising one was alright, no action though. Cool to think of Indy working an Irish Pub. Wish he got behind the bar though! Would have loved to see him pour a Guinness.

The music always struck me as surpurfluous...

BUT MOSTLY I'D LIKE TO SEE CRITISMS ON SOMETHING!!!

TOO MUCH FEEL GOOD, I'M OK, YOU'RE OK...WE NEED SOME DOWN AND DIRTY IN THE MUD.

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Stoo

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Rocket Surgeon said:
It's not bad it's just not good, I haven't seen all the Young Indys but I will, so it's hardly definitive. There's a reason John Williams is so hearalded, his music is UNFORGETABLE. Imagine he wrote the music for the series!
Well, it was good enough to be included in the LEGO game. Not sure if you have it (I don't) but there a tons of tracks in there. I think the music for the series is EXCELLENT! No, it's not Johnny but the spirit of his Indy music has been captured in many ways. Plus, I don't think J. Williams has written anything for TV in 40 years (since "Land of the Giants" & "The Time Tunnel").

Rocket Surgeon said:
Cool to think of Indy working an Irish Pub. Wish he got behind the bar though!
He actually was at one point ("...and hurry up with those pints!") but you don't see him pour because it broke for a commercial.:(

Rocket Surgeon said:
WE NEED SOME DOWN AND DIRTY IN THE MUD.
You mean like when Indy & Emil jump into a muddy foxhole trying to escape their escort to prison?
 
Stoo said:
He actually was at one point ("...and hurry up with those pints!") but you don't see him pour because it broke for a commercial.:(

I saw the episode...

Cool to think of Indy working an Irish Pub.
Translation: I like the fact he worked in a PUB!

Stoo said:
You mean like when Indy & Emil jump into a muddy foxhole trying to escape their escort to prison?

No...I mean The Message Board! Fisticuffs! Fights! Brawls! Glad handing gets boring!

Like your good friend Shankara!

I admire a man who stands against MOB rule! We can imagine all sorts of situations that may fit a certain bill, but he demands incontrovertable proof!

Now he was quite delusional about not seeing the Barnet College Notebook and more so regarding the burden of proof only resolved by Lucas or Speilberg coming down off the mountain.

But is was FUN to read and an exciting thread! A LOT of people got their panties in a bunch!

Actually, Indy probably should have been in a donnybrook while in Ireland! He hung around too many artsy fartsy types!

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Stoo

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Rocket Surgeon said:
I saw the episode...

Cool to think of Indy working an Irish Pub.
Translation: I like the fact he worked in a PUB!
Yes, I understood you the 1st time around. What I'm saying is that there is a scene where Indy is actually tending bar (and not playing waiter).

Rocket Surgeon said:
No...I mean The Message Board! Fisticuffs! Fights! Brawls! Glad handing gets boring!
If a "fight" arises during the course of natural discussion, then so be it...but to actually join a board looking for a fight? That's something else...
As far as the Sankie saga goes, there is more history to it then just that one thread...

Rocket Surgeon said:
Actually, Indy probably should have been in a donnybrook while in Ireland! He hung around too many artsy fartsy types!
:confused: Too many? How about one? The others were a chick he wanted and her best friend (not to mention her brother, Sean Lemass).
If you were in an Irish pub and called Lemass artsy-fartsy, you'd probably get a "poke in the eye"!
 
Stoo said:
Yes, I understood you the 1st time around. What I'm saying is that there is a scene where Indy is actually tending bar (and not playing waiter).

Didn't see it on youtube! Have to look again!

Stoo said:
If a "fight" arises during the course of natural discussion, then so be it...but to actually join a board looking for a fight? That's something else...

Not looking, but not kow towing either!

Stoo said:
As far as the Sankie saga goes, there is more history to it then just that one thread...

I'll have to save that for another time...one a day is enough!


Stoo said:
:confused: Too many? How about one? The others were a chick he wanted and her best friend (not to mention her brother, Sean Lemass).

Sean O'Casey and WB Yeats and the rest at the Theater were enough for me and yes I see Sean O'Casey as artsy fartsy!

Stoo said:
If you were in an Irish pub and called Lemass artsy-fartsy, you'd probably get a "poke in the eye"!

And after a scuffle, we'd dring and sing till the sun came up!:dead:
 

fommes

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Stoo said:
Well, it was good enough to be included in the LEGO game. Not sure if you have it (I don't) but there a tons of tracks in there. I think the music for the series is EXCELLENT! No, it's not Johnny but the spirit of his Indy music has been captured in many ways. Plus, I don't think J. Williams has written anything for TV in 40 years (since "Land of the Giants" & "The Time Tunnel").
He also scored two episodes for Amazing Stories in the 80s; they're released by Intrada, and come highly recommended!
 

T.E.Lawrence

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Junior Jones said:
Of course The Young Indy Chronicles were not perfect, and no one here is saying they are. But I don't think there are grounds to say that "The Young Indy Chronicles were really really bad..."



I disagree. I love the Young Indy music. I have all four volumes of the soundtrack releases and I listen to them all the time. My Indy playlist has the four movie soundtracks and the four Young Indy albums, and there's no jarring difference when I play it on "shuffle". Of course John Williams is amazine, but Joel McNeely and Laurence Rosenthal are far from weak!

Absolutely agree.
The music of Young Indy is so rich. One of the best pieces for music ever produced for a TV format - and can stand alone strongly even compared with the legendary Williams tracks.

I was searching for official releases for years and finaly I was able 5-6 years ago to get all 4 volumes plus 1 unofficial volume and they are always on the top of my list. By my opinion, it goes strongly on the list of the most complex film music tracks ever written. If only the complete tracks would be released -that would be really something astonishing. The 4 volumes are only a glimpse of the whole set.

--- the alternative is unthinkable ---
 

Indy_Forever

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YIC was great

I don't know why you want to burn it when it's a great piece of indy canon and is good for educating people, i loved how you meet famous people from the 1900s onwards
 

Sir Galahad

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The one with the telephone installation "bureaucracy" episode. It's the only one I really hated. I think it's Prague, August 1917.
 

dr.jones1986

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Stoo said:
Well, it was good enough to be included in the LEGO game. Not sure if you have it (I don't) but there a tons of tracks in there. I think the music for the series is EXCELLENT! No, it's not Johnny but the spirit of his Indy music has been captured in many ways. Plus, I don't think J. Williams has written anything for TV in 40 years (since "Land of the Giants" & "The Time Tunnel").

He actually was at one point ("...and hurry up with those pints!") but you don't see him pour because it broke for a commercial.:(

You mean like when Indy & Emil jump into a muddy foxhole trying to escape their escort to prison?

My favorite piece of music in Young Indy was the piece at the start of Phantom Train of Doom, when they keep taking the wrong train to meet up with their unit. "No thats the train to Moshi". I thought the music was solid, not John William's score for the films but than again how often does a piece of music such as the Raiders March come along?
 

AnnieJones

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Here are the episodes I do like:

My First Adventure:The Curse of the Jackal (1),(Egypt, May 1908)Tangiers 1908

Spring Break Adventure:princeton, February 1916,The Curse of the Jackal (2) (Mexico, March 1916)

Daredevils of the Desert:palestine, October 1917 (1),Palestine, October 1917 (2)

Treasure of the Peacock's Eye:Treasure of the Peacock's Eye (London/Egypt, November 1919),Treasure of the Peacock's Eye (South Pacific, November 1919)

Mystery of the Blues:The Mystery of the Blues (1) (Chicago, April 1920),The Mystery of the Blues (2) (Chicago, May 1920)

Here are the episodes I don't like:

Passion for Life

The Perils of Cupid

Travels with Father

Journey of Radiance

Demons of Deception

Espionage Escapades

Tales of Innocence

Masks of Evil

But,what the show was for anyway,was to let people know what Indy's life was like before he became an archaeologist,what inspired him to become an archaeologist in the first place,even though some of the episodes were a little bit boring.But,there were some good episodes to.
 
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Raiders90

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I just dislike that only one or two of the episodes deal with archaeology or REAL adventures--as in, treasure seeking stuff--And most of the series with the exception of a few episodes distorts the character of Indiana Jones and what it's all about, and shoehorning him with every major figure of the early 20th century was really stupid. Indy should've been more rogue-ish, and played by an actor with a deeper voice like Harrison's.
The Bantam novels provided a much more realistic (in terms of the movies) backstory.
 
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Stoo

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It's always been easy to understand why many Indy fans don't like the "Chronicles" but the show stands up on it's own merit. MANY things bothered me when it first aired but they don't anymore. The series is just too good. If the main character was someone else, general opinion might be quite different. Pretending it's not Indy can make one appreciate it a bit more.:)

Despite the inconsistencies with the the Ford movies, the TV show is a brilliant production and not "really really bad..." (as this thread title suggests). Lucas wanted to a make a TV series about the early 20th century and using Indiana Jones was his way to sell the idea to the networks.

The series rocks by itself and the fact that's it's connected to Indiana Jones is just an added bonus! (In my opinion, anyway.;))
 

Raiders90

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Stoo said:
It's always been easy to understand why many Indy fans don't like the "Chronicles" but the show stands up on it's own merit. MANY things bothered me when it first aired but they don't anymore. The series is just too good. If the main character was someone else, general opinion might be quite different. Pretending it's not Indy can make one appreciate it a bit more.:)

Despite the inconsistencies with the the Ford movies, the TV show is a brilliant production and not "really really bad..." (as this thread title suggests). Lucas wanted to a make a TV series about the early 20th century and using Indiana Jones was his way to sell the idea to the networks.

The series rocks by itself and the fact that's it's connected to Indiana Jones is just an added bonus! (In my opinion, anyway.;))

It's not really really bad in general, but really really really IMO as an entry in the Indy series/canon
 

Junior Jones

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Raiders112390 said:
I just dislike that only one or two of the episodes deal with archaeology or REAL adventures...

That doesn't bother me at all. Very little (if any) of my childhood had anything to do with accounting, but that's what I'm doing now. :hat:
We're not born with all the attributes we'll have as an adult. We have to grow into them.
 

Raiders90

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Junior Jones said:
That doesn't bother me at all. Very little (if any) of my childhood had anything to do with accounting, but that's what I'm doing now. :hat:
We're not born with all the attributes we'll have as an adult. We have to grow into them.

Yeah, but you're a real person. Indy is a fictional character and a brand name with which come certain expectations.
 
Raiders112390 said:
Yeah, but you're a real person. Indy is a fictional character and a brand name with which come certain expectations.
So what were your expectations? I agree somewhat, but the brand has evolved. The films are debated with the same type of sentiment and preferences depending on age and taste. The films are certainly no constant, though there are overlapping themes/characters.

In the same way Indy was devolved for television.

Unfortunately Young Indy is not the iconic Indy of the films. That's the biggest difference for me, and the action is weaker....though intrigue, peril, and adventure survive the process. For how much it glosses over, the nuances and little details are just as impressive as the films, some even more so.
 

Montana Smith

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Rocket Surgeon said:
So what were your expectations? I agree somewhat, but the brand has evolved. The films are debated with the same type of sentiment and preferences depending on age and taste. The films are certainly no constant, though there are overlapping themes/characters.

In the same way Indy was devolved for television.

Unfortunately Young Indy is not the iconic Indy of the films. That's the biggest difference for me, and the action is weaker....though intrigue, peril, and adventure survive the process. For how much it glosses over, the nuances and little details are just as impressive as the films, some even more so.

The great thing about the TV series, apart from the care and attention to detail that went into it, was that it needn't conflict with the Harrison Ford Indy. It allowed you to either separate the two incarnations or to view them as one and the same.

Having taken out the old Indy book ends muddies the water a bit, though. In the current version we don't have the sense that old Indy is relating his youth - and from that narration we were able to make up our own minds whether or not he was telling the truth, or embellishing for his audience. The encounter with Dracula is the most controversial episode in that regard: we aren't given the option of viewing it simply as a Halloween story, but are asked to believe Indy actually had this early supernatural encounter.

As Stoo wrote, however, the series is good enough to stand by itself.
 

Raiders90

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I guess my major problem is SPF. I just think he came off as TOO soft and goofy for Indy, and of course, his voice isn't deep enough, and he doesn't really resemble Harrison all that much. I could see him being goofy in 1916, but not in 1919 or 1920 after years of war. I can't explain it, but there's that rogue-ish, devil may care, bad*ss attitude missing. Like in LC in the flashback to 1912, River as Indy gives that devil-ish grin after he steals the Cross from Fedora, that sort of evil grin that Indy gives when he does something bad. SPF's Indy isn't really a ''bad boy'', but more of a goody two shoes. At times, like in Adventures of the Secret Service, Masks of Evil and a few of the other movies, you see the older Indy.

Cory Carrier does a very believable job as a Young Indy; He's mischevious, a little rascal and you could believe that this rebellious little kid could grow up to be the Indy of the movies.

My feelings are ambivalent on the Chronicles I guess. My opinion changes day to day on them--some days I love them, other days I see them as flawed. They are canon, I just wish I guess a different actor had portrayed Indy instead of SPF--All of the other issues would be just minor ones then, because the series DOES have a lot of adventure and action.
 
SPF did some mimicing, as he says himself it's mostly posture. I'm not to concerned with the pitch of his voice, but I hear ya. You're right about the mischievous or slyness of Indy. I don't think that was comunicated well, and though River did a decent job, it wasn't that great. The more I think about it, the more it seems you miss Spielberg's direction.

Though Amblin was associated, it might have helped stylisticly if Spielberg directed a couple episodes, and/or did some consulting. Nothing I've read said he did, (but that doesn't mean he didn't).

I've come to appreciate the composers work, but the occational use of The Raiders March would have been appreciated...and not strictly the rousing adventure rendition of the theme.
 
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