Williams' score
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agentsands77
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I don't really see how they can have that distinction and RAIDERS and TEMPLE couldn't. CRUSADE and KINGDOM have more subdued scores, with greater subtlety, but that, in and of itself, doesn't mean they're any more successful as works of classical music. But to be honest, nothing Williams has ever done stands as truly great classical music.Darth Vile said:
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agentsands77 said:
I would disagree with that. Williams is a contemporary Mozart and if Mozart was alive today he'd probably be scoring films.
agentsands77
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I think that's a laughable comparison. Williams isn't even close to Mozart.Agent Spalko said:
And I say this as a big film score/Williams fan. I have probably every score the man's ever produced. But he's not at all in the same league, nor is he even in the list of top composers from the 20th century.
Agent Spalko
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Laugh all you want but he has composed the most memorable operatic film scores. Mozart composed for opera. I think the comparison is justified.
agentsands77
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The comparison comes out of ignorance.Agent Spalko said:
What Mozart did for Western music is incredible. Mozart was a phenomenal innovator, and a genius of such degree that has rarely been seen since. Williams' memorable thematic material does not necessarily make him one of the greatest composers, nor does it put him in league with Mozart. Williams is sorely lacking in innovation. He's not very original at all.
Agent Spalko
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I didn't say he was better than Mozart but he is very much akin to him as a modern operatic composer.
I really like when Williams uses previous leit motifs when characters reappear in another movie. What I was always disappointed with is that the London Symphony was only used for Raiders. With Crystal Skull, I didn't like that the end credits didn't end it quite the same way as the other three. Perhaps I'm too stuck on the formula used in the first three, but that was the first thought that crossed my mind as I sat in the theatre listening to them. Maybe that will change the more I listen to the soundtrack.
herr gruber
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The soundtrack to Indy 4 was an Achilles Heel for the movie. John Williams and the Regurgita Symphony Orchestra. Decent film but the score was a cheat.
I think it went pretty well with the new "feel" of KOTCS. By itself though, it's not fantastic like the other Indy scores. I actually liked the reoccurring themes, but the new themes that were featured really didn't stand out when you saw the film, therefor, they are not memorable.
Jenos Idanian
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Agent Spalko said:
I agree with you Agent Spalko. But as I've stated on another thread I don't think it's Williams fault. I think he hit it on the head. Bland music for a bland film. He just wasn't inspired by anything he saw.
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Jenos Idanian said:
I'll buy that.
crowmagnumman
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Jenos Idanian said:
Ditto. I can forgive him this. Williams is still better than this.
indytim
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The score had its moments (such as at the beginning of the film when the content of the box is revealed ... very 50's sci-fi ... or at the shot of the mushroom cloud ... and 'The Departure') but I agree that it borrowed too much from the other films and lacked its own identity.
I never thought I'd ever say this about a John Williams score but I think the music actually hurt the film in a couple of places, especially during the jungle chase. The famous fanfare at the very start of the chase (just after Spalko shouts 'JONES!') seemed somewhat shoehorned in as it did when Indy is punching it out with the Russians in their jeep (just after the line 'Hi, Mac!'). Also, the music that accompanies the sword fight between Mutt and Spalko is far too jovial for my liking and immediately reminded me of 'Hook' when I first saw the movie! A more serious tone to the music during this fight would have given it needed tension and gravitas.
Then again, I'm not a multi Oscar-winning composer so what the hell do I know!?
I never thought I'd ever say this about a John Williams score but I think the music actually hurt the film in a couple of places, especially during the jungle chase. The famous fanfare at the very start of the chase (just after Spalko shouts 'JONES!') seemed somewhat shoehorned in as it did when Indy is punching it out with the Russians in their jeep (just after the line 'Hi, Mac!'). Also, the music that accompanies the sword fight between Mutt and Spalko is far too jovial for my liking and immediately reminded me of 'Hook' when I first saw the movie! A more serious tone to the music during this fight would have given it needed tension and gravitas.
Then again, I'm not a multi Oscar-winning composer so what the hell do I know!?
Darth Vile
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agentsands77 said:
As pieces of music one could listen to in isolation, ROTLA and TOD rely too much on the main themes and basic action cues segueing between the tracks. Last Crusade (IMHO) contains more light and shade, is more standalone (i.e. it does not need The Raiders March to hang off), and is musically a little more mature e.g. Scherzo For Motorcycle and Orchestra.
martinland
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Hey Darth, I FEAR it will be addressed like on the Original Star Wars Trilogy DVDs...Darth Vile said:
...just joking...
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crowmagnumman said:
I think the score is good,i think its just as good as any of the others,the only songs that i really enjoy listening to are, Map room,Ark theme,and the Grail theme....well of course the Raiders march but anyways these to me are just as good as the Call of the Crystal skull and Irinas theme the rest just seem like movie music.If you listen to the other soundtracks all the way through theyre equal to this one,some peices are boring and bland in every one of the scores.I think its just another Indy score,great but not amazing.Im a big John Williams fan and ive listened to the new score at least 15 times through already personally think all the scores are nice but i definitly dont think this one is the weakest of the 4.