Shia and Koepp forced to adress the two major pseudo-complaints of KOTCS

Dr. Joenes

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Darth Vile

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Dr. Joenes said:
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If your point is that it looks great. I totally agree...
 

The Man

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Has the lighting in that pic bleached out Spalko's sword...or is the speed of her movements? There's a barely distinguishable outline...
 

Darth Vile

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The Man said:
Has the lighting in that pic bleached out Spalko's sword...or is the speed of her movements? There's a barely distinguishable outline...

Optical illusion I think. The point of the blade is directly pointing towards camera (parrying Mutt's blade)... so it appears as if there isn't a blade. Or perhaps ILM just forgot to put it in... :p
 

Dr. Joenes

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Actually I meant to include it my previous post - it's a scan from the issue of Cinefex discussing KOTCS.

I was mostly posting it just to jog people's memories of how things actually looked. Naturally some will be more accepting than others but I personally think they did a good job composing this (these) image(s) they way they apparently intended.
 

Indy's brother

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Darth Vile said:
I would point out that as far as dialogue and focus is concerned… Sean Connery had just as much as Shia. One may prefer Sean’s role/acting to Shia’s (or neither), but the principle remains pretty much the same I think.

Screen time, yes. Preference, yeah, that's definately a big part in our perceptions of Mutt/Shia. The principle is also the same, as you suggest. The differences between Henry Sr. and Mutt, are that in LC, there was a lot of back and forth when it came to sharing the action. Also, Indy and his father were driving the action sequences together. In skull, however, Mutt's sword-fight was more of a "and now Shia has his big sequence in the new Indiana Jones movie" moment. It's a subtle difference, but certainly enough to notice.

Darth Vile said:
I’m starting to suffer from over analytical blindness (if you know what I mean)

I totally hear you on that. Over thinking every little detail has begun to take away from the things that were done well in the film (for me, anyway). I'm beginning to wonder if I'll be able to enjoy it at all by the time the dvd is released...
 

TheMutt92

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The Man said:
Has the lighting in that pic bleached out Spalko's sword...or is the speed of her movements? There's a barely distinguishable outline...

Pretty sure its the speed of the movements.
 

The Man

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Benraianajones

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I had to laugh when I saw the trailer for the new version of Journey to the center of the Earth. Now, you want over the top minecart jumping - see the 3 or 4 carts that jump over the rail and land perfeclty on the other side. Now, that is over the top, 3 carts! In fact I was expecting to see on the trailer them wave to another cart with Indy, Shorty and Willie in.

I don't have any issue with Mutt's legs spread as branches hit his nads, that scene somewhat reminded me of Shorty being stretched out over the lava on the mine cart chase.
 
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IndyFan89

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I have a confession to make. Don't laugh but... the fridge scene actually made me sit on the edge of my seat. It did give a sense of danger, I wanna say kind of like the boulder only a tad bit more extreme.
(covers face)
Please don't hit me! :eek:
 

Darth Vile

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IndyFan89 said:
I have a confession to make. Don't laugh but... the fridge scene actually made me sit on the edge of my seat. It did give a sense of danger, I wanna say kind of like the boulder only a tad bit more extreme.
(covers face)
Please don't hit me! :eek:

I think that's a valid perception. Also, I think it's a valid argument to state that the entire 'Doom Town' sequence is probably the most original escapade in KOTCS, and probably the only real scene (including TLC) where there was a palpable sense of "how is he going to get out of this one?".
 

AtomicAge

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I'm rather new here but I'd like to put my 2 cents worth in.

As for the Fridge scene being implausible, in reality surviving the heat and radiation of a relatively low yield atomic device (No hydrogen or megaton power bombs were ever tested in the United States) in a fridge is not only possible its quite likely. Army personnel were were often placed in open trenches less than a mile from ground zero during atomic tests with no ill effects, at least short term. The test "houses" where never built right at ground zero but more often half a mile or more away so as to observe the blast effects. Also the houses are an indication that this was a civil defense test. Meaning that they may have been testing all kinds of things that would be intended to be sold for use in fall out shelters. A lead lined fridge seems a likely choice for this kind of test.

Now surviving being thrown a great distance in said fridge is another story, of course being dangled a few feet from an active lava flow with out getting 3rd degree burns isn't very likely either.

As for the film being filled with CG effects, the effects supervisor has stated that the film contains 460 effects shots. That is only 100 more than the original Star Wars contained in 1977. Not very many for a modern movie.

As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, most of what is going on in the jungle chase, is filling in some of the empty Hawaii jungle with more dense South American jungle. They didn't go and create CG trees, they are real trees photographed in South America and added into some of the backgrounds of some of the shots.

Now considering there are only 460 effects shots in the whole movie, and the chase alone probably contains in excess of 800 shots, not many of those could be effects.

Just my 2 cents

Doug
 
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AtomicAge

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Sankara said:
@stone triple
No?

In October 2006 George Lucas was talking to the empire-magazine. Check this out:

Having created an American Icon, Lucas has seen Indy homaged (or ripped off) in countless guises. He remains surprised that filmakers still haven't figured out the KEY FOUNDATIONS on which Indiana Jones ethos is built.
Number one: keep the action believable.

GL: "A lot of people now just do contrived action sequences. Even though people think that Indiana Jones is so outrageous, it is BELIEVABLE. That was the thing that we did that James Bond didn't do - especially in that middle period were they weren't very interesting."

Most of the action-scenes in "Skull" are not believable. Do you agree, stone triple?

I don't think the action in Skull was any more unbelievable than Temple of Doom. Or even Last Crusade.

With Doom they made a very conscious choice to go slightly more cartoonish with the action and each movie after has stayed in that style.

Doug
 

Darth Vile

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AtomicAge said:
I'm rather new here but I'd like to put my 2 cents worth in.

As for the Fridge scene being implausible, in reality surviving the heat and radiation of a relatively low yield atomic device (No hydrogen or megaton power bombs were ever tested in the United States) in a fridge is not only possible its quite likely. Army personnel were were often placed in open trenches less than a mile from ground zero during atomic tests with no ill effects, at least short term. The test "houses" where never built right at ground zero but more often half a mile or more away so as to observe the blast effects. Also the houses are an indication that this was a civil defense test. Meaning that they may have been testing all kinds of things that would be intended to be sold for use in fall out shelters. A lead lined fridge seems a likely choice for this kind of test.

Now surviving being thrown a great distance in said fridge is another story, of course being dangled a few feet from an active lava flow with out getting 3rd degree burns isn't very likely either.

As for the film being filled with CG effects, the effects supervisor has stated that the film contains 460 effects shots. That is only 100 more than the original Star Wars contained in 1977. Not very many for a modern movie.

As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, most of what is going on in the jungle chase, is filling in some of the empty Hawaii jungle with more dense South American jungle. They didn't go and create CG trees, they are real trees photographed in South America and added into some of the backgrounds of some of the shots.

Now considering there are only 460 effects shots in the whole movie, and the chase alone probably contains in excess of 800 shots, not many of those could be effects.

Just my 2 cents

Doug

Spot on. Completely agree Doug. The flight of the fridge is actually the OTT moment of the aforementioned scene, and not the survival of the bomb blast per se.
 

AtomicAge

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Darth Vile said:
Spot on. Completely agree Doug. The flight of the fridge is actually the OTT moment of the aforementioned scene, and not the survival of the bomb blast per se.

Exactly. Its also likely that a fridge lined with enough lead to be effective against radiation, might be too heavy to be thrown very far.

Doug
 

The Man

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Darth Vile said:
I think that's a valid perception. Also, I think it's a valid argument to state that the entire 'Doom Town' sequence is probably the most original escapade in KOTCS, and probably the only real scene (including TLC) where there was a palpable sense of "how is he going to get out of this one?".

I'm torn. While I believe *cough* know *cough* that it's Indy's most impossible death-dodger, there is something almost defiantly cool about his household appliance-aided escape. The epochal evocation and its implications are also nailed - he's literally trapped in the '50's. Minus the shot of the fridge hurtling over the car, the Doomtown sequence is the closest to vintage, witty Spielberg that the film delivers. Also, Ford is on his own, dependant only upon his own luck...

In short, I resent it and enjoy it. Can such emotions co-exist..?


*strokes chin philosophically*
 

StoneTriple

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The Man said:
... there is something almost defiantly cool about his household appliance-aided escape. The epochal evocation and its implications are also nailed - he's literally trapped in the '50's. Minus the shot of the fridge hurtling over the car, the Doomtown sequence is the closest to vintage, witty Spielberg that the film delivers. Also, Ford is on his own, dependant only upon his own luck...

In short, I resent it and enjoy it. Can such emotions co-exist..?

*strokes chin philosophically*

Of your 3,697 posts; That, sir, is your finest work. ;)

It's one of my favorite portions of the film. It's Indiana Jones figuring a way out of tough situation. There is real tension and danger. I feel the time running out, I feel anxious for him - the way I did when he was running from the boulder or when the tank was headed for the cliff.
 
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