THE BIG BANG: Raiders story conference transcripts!!??

kongisking said:
Take that, you Alien/UFO/SciFi Indy-hating asscracks. Sci-Fi has been here since the start. Now stop your *****ing, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Aliens suck, and their involvement was relegated to Indy disproving the hoax.

The term 'ancient astronauts' designates the speculative notion that aliens are responsible for the most ancient civilizations on earth. The most notorious proponent of this idea is Erich von Däniken, author of several popular books on the subject. His Chariots of the Gods? Unsolved Mysteries of the Past, for example, is a sweeping attack on the memories and abilities of ancient peoples. Von Däniken claims that the myths, arts, social organizations, etc., of ancient cultures were introduced by astronauts from another world. He questions not just the capacity for memory, but the capacity for culture and civilization itself, in ancient peoples. Prehistoric humans did not develop their own arts and technologies, but rather were taught art and science by visitors from outer space.

Where is the proof for von Däniken's claims? Some of it was fraudulent. For example, he produced photographs of pottery that he claimed had been found in an archaeological dig. The pottery depicts flying saucers and was said to have been dated from Biblical times. However, investigators from Nova (the fine public-television science program) found the potter who had made the allegedly ancient pots. They confronted von Däniken with evidence of his fraud. His reply was that his deception was justified because some people would only believe if they saw proof ("The Case of the Ancient Astronauts," first aired 3/8/78, done in conjunction with BBC's Horizon and Peter Spry-Leverton)!

However, most of von Däniken's evidence is in the form of specious and fallacious arguments. His data consists mainly of archaeological sites and ancient myths. He begins with the ancient astronaut assumption and then forces all data to fit the idea. For example, in Nazca, Peru, he explains giant animal drawings in the desert as an ancient alien airport. The likelihood that these drawings related to the natives' religion or science is not considered. He also frequently reverts to false dilemma reasoning of the following type: "Either this data is to be explained by assuming these primitive idiots did this themselves or we must accept the more plausible notion that they got help from extremely advanced peoples who must have come from other planets where such technologies as anti-gravity devices had been invented." His devotion to this theory has not dwindled, despite contrary evidence, as is evidenced by still another book on the subject, Arrival of the Gods : Revealing the Alien Landing Sites at Nazca (1998).

Continue *****ing ladies and gentlemen:p
 

Indy's brother

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kongisking said:
Take that, you Alien/UFO/SciFi Indy-hating asscracks. Sci-Fi has been here since the start. Now stop your *****ing, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
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Wilhelm

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And Phil Kaufman who had the idea of using the ark as McGuffin, also mentions extra-terrestials:

" (...) when I was in college, a famous blood specialist had written
with another doctor an article on the Ark of the Covenant
and how he felt it provided a means of communication with some
other extra-terrestrial or God-like or whatever. It was in
a sense an elaborate radio setup. It contained silk curtains and
veils and other things."
 

James

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There's no difference between aliens that originate via another dimension and ghosts that arrive the same way.
 
James said:
There's no difference between aliens that originate via another dimension and ghosts that arrive the same way.

If they arrive the same way, of course there's no difference...wait what?!?!
My Necronomicon clearly delineates aliens from interdimentional beings and ark spirits from ghosts.

Where are you getting your info from? The bathroom wall?;)

kongisking said:
Take that, you Alien/UFO/SciFi Indy-hating asscracks. Sci-Fi has been here since the start. Now stop your *****ing, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Too bad the creatures in crystal Skull were NOT aliens, they were interdimentional beings:p

and interdimentional beings suck too!:p

Get your indignation straight!

Sorry guys/gals...I had to, oh I had to

Tell them I said ouch.
 
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Robyn

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Attila the Professor said:
I'm a little more perplexed by the "And he was forty-two." Did they intend for Indy to be 52 in this film? Abner could have been 42, yes, but that's a bit of an irrelevance, yes?
Yeah your right, all the ages they're coming up with here are insane, I still can't get over his idea of Marion being ELEVEN when Indy had an affair with her.. geeze!!! Indy's not that kind of a guy!

Rocket Surgeon said:
Aliens suck,
I agree, aliens in an Indy movie suck..
 
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Moedred

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Attila the Professor said:
I'm a little more perplexed by the "And he was forty-two."
I think George was being facetious again, like when he discussed Marion being raped. George, Steven and Larry are age 33, 31 and 29. Their transcript doesn't note laughter like the last segment but I'm sure it's there.

Two technical musings... I wonder why there's blank space on page 43. And more transcription after the end of tape 4 (there's a tape 5?).

There are a couple of places where I'm not sure of the speaker (ie, "He finally goes into a garage"), mainly the one spot where these indicators ran off the page (I left ?'s). But mostly I'd like to see the 2 lost pages. (And the 1 lost page of Monkey King.) Any errors you notice which I myself (and not the transcriber) made, do let me know by PM!
 

James

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Rocket Surgeon said:
If they arrive the same way, of course there's no difference...wait what?!?! My Necronomicon clearly delineates aliens from interdimentional beings and ark spirits from ghosts.

Yes, but my Complete Making Of Indiana Jones says they were both born of special effects.

But if you really want to take my post that literally, we can just omit the "arrive" part. The point is still the same. Once you have spirits entering our world from another dimension or plane of existence, it's not much of a stretch to revisit the idea in a sequel.
 

Darth Vile

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Rocket Surgeon said:
Aliens suck, and their involvement was relegated to Indy disproving the hoax.

The term 'ancient astronauts' designates the speculative notion that aliens are responsible...

Is there irrefutably proof that "aliens suck" as opposed to blow? ;)

Also, not sure what your point is? that aliens/UFO?s have no place in an Indiana Jones movie, that their supposed existence is largely a matter of faith or that you just don?t like Sci-Fi type movies???
 
James said:
Yes, but my Complete Making Of Indiana Jones says they were both born of special effects.

But if you really want to take my post that literally, we can just omit the "arrive" part. The point is still the same. Once you have spirits entering our world from another dimension or plane of existence, it's not much of a stretch to revisit the idea in a sequel.
I thought you meant REAL Aliens! My mistake!

Darth Vile said:
Is there irrefutably proof that "aliens suck" as opposed to blow? ;)

Also, not sure what your point is? that aliens/UFO?s have no place in an Indiana Jones movie, that their supposed existence is largely a matter of faith or that you just don?t like Sci-Fi type movies???
I had to look that one up and where aliens definitely suck, interdimentional beings blow. (y)

Nah, I was just having fun with his rant and him being so quick to say nah nah they're there! and overlooking the reason they are there in the first place, as a plot element for Indy to expose as false. Which is where the long winded explanation of Kerry Von Erich comes in...a little history lesson if you will...
 
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Moedred

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We have pdfscreenplays.com to thank for this script, and Koepp's. In fact, AICN linking to Darabont's script in June is what crashed and terminated their old site. Registration seems to open for just a few days every other month, or you can donate $10 to get in. But the welcome forum is viewable to all. Here's a list of scripts members may download (some are for future releases).
 

cdmeredith

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Attention Moderators

Attention all moderators. I need the links that I posted taken down. I also need a few posts deleted, or edited. I have sent all the moderators I could find private messages. Please read them for details. Please respond as quickly as possible. Thank you.

If there are any questions, please don't hesitate to get ahold of me. thanks.
 

JerryKing

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G ? I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.
L ? And he was forty-two.
G ? He hasn't seen her in twelve years. Now she's twenty-two. It's a real strange relationship.
S ? She had better be older than twenty-two.
G ? Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it's an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she's sixteen or seventeen it's not interesting anymore.

:D :D :D

There is a certain cartoon Internet bear whose image is just growling to be pasted on the margin right there...
 

Moedred

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Agent5's source "said he had copies of [the tapes] and wrote it all out in transcript form, word for eligible word... whoever made this took alot of time to get it done."

Well, no. The page Agent5 posted is identical to the pdf down to the punctuation. It reads "shafts, air shafts, .little things" and indeed, the pdf has a bit of schmutz before the L. The pdf version was typed first, then the ebay huckster acquired and converted it to html rather quickly, like I did. There is still hope for finding the 2 missing pages in Agent5's copy though.
cdmeredith said:
Thank you to the moderator(s) who edited my posts.
Looks like you got off the roller coaster just in time. Here we go...
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40361
 
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Dr.Sartorius

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They actually considered the idea that Marion was 11(?) when she first had a relationship with Indy? Really? 11? "She was 12 and he was 25"? Yep, bright idea George. Very amusing. :sick: :confused:
 

Robyn

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Dr.Sartorius said:
They actually considered the idea that Marion was 11(?) when she first had a relationship with Indy? Really? 11? "She was 12 and he was 25"? Yep, bright idea George. Very amusing. :sick: :confused:

I know, that's exactly what I was saying.. I think someone else had said he was kidding but that's not even funny, that's just sick, just to think that Indy would even look at Marion like that at 11, and he had Indy's age at 40 something :rolleyes:
 
ronicle said:
I know, that's exactly what I was saying.. I think someone else had said he was kidding but that's not even funny, that's just sick, just to think that Indy would even look at Marion like that at 11, and he had Indy's age at 40 something :rolleyes:

...who had a problem TALKING about Shorty's predelictions? ...or Mutt being a tranny?

Words, mere words...

It's when you're free to discuss ANY idea, uncensored, for laughs, for horror, for real or not that you enable the flow of ideas.

Didn't you guys ever trade grosser than gross jokes? ...or ever challenge friends with the grossest thing you could imagine doing for a million dollars?

When you leave a character trait open-ended and vague, people's imaginations run wild.

For f**ks sake there's a news story about some freak in Arizona 29 YEARS OLD that was attending school as a 12 YEAR OLD!

Third world nastyness, which I'm sure someone who studied lost civilizations encountered, there's all types of horror stories concerning the young. I remember reading Guinness Book and the oldest natural birth was an 82 year old woman and the youngest an 8 year old.

You think in light of this they'll come out and say the transcript is a work of fiction?

Thanks again for the post, it's a great read. I think I noticed the first chink in the armor. I believe both Lucas and Spielberg are revisionist historians, however:

The trascript attributes the conception of the saluting monkey to Spielberg, doesn't Speilberg say that was all Georges wacky idea on the Raiders DVD Extras?
 
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Darth Vile

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Rocket Surgeon said:
Words, mere words...

It's when you're free to discuss ANY idea, uncensored, for laughs, for horror, for real or not that you enable the flow of ideas.
Something we can agree on...

Rocket Surgeon said:
Thanks again for the post, it's a great read. I think I noticed the first chink in the armor. I believe both Lucas and Spielberg are revisionist historians, however:

The trascript attributes the conception of the saluting monkey to Spielberg, doesn't Speilberg say that was all Georges wacky idea on the Raiders DVD Extras?
I think the saluting monkey was always purported to be one of Spielberg’s ideas. Lucas may have the “wacky” ideas, but seems to me it's usually Spielberg who produces the over sentimental and comic misfire moments.
 
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Robyn

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Rocket Surgeon said:
...who had a problem TALKING about Shorty's predelictions? ...or Mutt being a tranny?

Words, mere words...

It's when you're free to discuss ANY idea, uncensored, for laughs, for horror, for real or not that you enable the flow of ideas.

Didn't you guys ever trade grosser than gross jokes? ...or ever challenge friends with the grossest thing you could imagine doing for a million dollars?

When you leave a character trait open-ended and vague, people's imaginations run wild.

For f**ks sake there's a news story about some freak in Arizona 29 YEARS OLD that was attending school as a 12 YEAR OLD!

Third world nastyness, which I'm sure someone who studied lost civilizations encountered, there's all types of horror stories concerning the young. I remember reading Guinness Book and the oldest natural birth was an 82 year old woman and the youngest an 8 year old.

You think in light of this they'll come out and say the transcript is a work of fiction?

Well yeah but who would want to discuss Indy and Marion's relationship being a "horror story"
 
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