Montana Smith said:
Yeah, her boobs look saggy.
She's wrapped up tight in the red dress though.
Darth Vile said:
I think the character, in principle, was right for the story and appropriate for the second Indy movie... but just didn't work particularly well on screen. I don't think the script helped Kate, but I can't help but think that the likes of Hepburn, Bette Davis et al would have nailed it with the same material (if younger versions of themselves had been around in the 80's that is).
I agree the idea is fine, and a SERIOUS invested/experienced actress would have/could have brought some craft to the role.
The Drifter said:
He may have deserved it, but she sucker-punched him. If she's so badass, why didn't she just walk up to him, cuss him out, and knee him in the nuts?
Dude, you have some irreparable issues if you think getting kicked in the nuts is preferrable to a punch in the face!
Twice as many if you consider the punch LESS expected than a knee to the nuts!
The Drifter said:
No, she had to sucker punch him, just like she did too that poor guy who she knocked in the head with the frying pan!
What's the difference between surprising him by kneeing his nuts and surprising him with a punch? Oh, and the guy chasing her with the knife DIDN'T get fair warning?
You're off your game laddie.
The Drifter said:
Like I said before, she did save Mr. Round's life on the rope bridge.
That slut pulled him up so he could test the rest of the slats...puh-lease!
The Drifter said:
She saved Indy and Mr. Round's life during the spike room scene even if it meant her facing her own fears.
Sound the trumpets! Willie stepped on some insects! She faced her own fears! HA! She cracked another nail!
The Drifter said:
That was another thing b!tchy about Marion. She demanded more money because she wanted to get back to America in style.
Hmmm, you take first offer on YOUR home when you sold it? B!TCH!
The Drifter said:
She had more than enough cash to get back. If I were Indy, I would have told her to shut up and and suck it up.
...and if }ifs and buts" were candy and nuts we'd all have a lovely Christmas!
You'd also NOT get the headpiece...Indy wasn't playing with Indy's money and he didn't care. He shot right back with a 66% increase.
Now THAT's solid negotiating.
The Drifter said:
It does when you are also flirting with Dr. Jones at the same time!
Next time Raiders comes on your TV, open your eyes!
The Drifter said:
No, because the one she sent to his wife and kids was on his cheek. She gave Sallah his right on his cracked lips. I think I even saw some tongue action going on. That was way too much!
Just saw it on the Silver Screen and I can allay your fears...thinking just fills the room with smoke, no tongue, no cracked lips. Let it go.
The Drifter said:
And, then she locked herself in the cockpit and started a huge gas leak and fire. She gave Indy more trouble than Willie ever did.
Ok, you're right she gave him more trouble...no.
otto rahn said:
...Willie is willing to defend herself and Short Round rather than just run screaming from every menace. She has grown more heroic during the course of the adventure, I like that !
Examples
PLEASE!
Col. Detritch said:
Which is why it didn't happen and we got Willie instead. I was just making a side note that if the child wasn't going to be the terrified 'victim' then an over-the-top female lead was the next best thing for this kind of movie (whether or not you agree it was the 'next best thing' is completely personal).
You wrote:
a terrified child could have worked quite well
Shorty or not it would have:
Originally Posted by Rocket Surgeon
...plunged the film to even darker territory.
Col. Detritch said:
We only see Marion get scared by genuinely scary situations (tied to a pole and lunged at by a mystery digger who could assault her, trapped with a gestapo agent twice - once with a hot steel prod, trapped in a tomb with deadly snakes, witnessing a man getting shredded, Wrath of God - the usual scary things) in ToD she would have probably sucked it up and faced the adversity as best she could. Being, well, more of a partner than a damsel-in-distress.
I think mobsters, the fall from Club Obi Wan, jumping out of a plane...would have proven scary enough. That Willie had no sympathy for the wreckage and starving of Mayapore shows too great a disconnect.
Col. Detritch said:
While I admit that the scenario with Marion in ToD is quite entertaining and that, yes, I truly do believe Marion is a superior leading lady, we can't always have Marion. Things would get repetitive. And yeah, Willie is just one-note and doesn't leave an emotional impact but I don't mind that seeing as the entire movie of ToD failed to resonate with me emotionally anyway (still like it but no emotional connection whatsoever).
For me it's worth a walk on...it's just not sustainable entertainment to go unchanged over two hours.
She sucked.
Capshaw or Willie. Take your pick.