So there's been some rumblings going on at the Raven for awhile...
segask said:Kaminski makes all his outdoor location footage look like it was shot in a studio. For Indiana Jones that's all wrong. Indy movies should be bright and sunny.
But I guess Spielberg wanted that look for this one. Notice how in the beginning when Indy is pulled out of the trunk it looks like it was shot outdoors. Then when we see the first shot of Spalko, it switches to studio filming.
Hitchcock would do that sort of thing on purpose. Jimmy Stewart or Cary Grant would be in an outdoors scene, then for a brief second or two we would see the character in an obvious rear screen studio shot, then it would be back outdoors again. I never fully understood why Hitch did that.
|ZiR| said:Speaking of Doris Day, though, I could definitely picture Indy going to see The Man Who Knew Too Much, and other Hitchcock offerings.
Athenee said:I bet Indy would love Hitchcock's movies--like "The Birds", just to get Marion to shriek and leap into his lap... oh, in the novelization, they made a big thing about her being afraid of heights-- "Vertigo"? (Hitchcock, not U-2!)
emtiem said:So either [Mutt]'ll have to be away somewhere, or you have to chuck Indy into a situation where he has to get away from everyone he knows.
That's why I'd like a Hitchcock North By Northwest-style Indy 5: Indy's framed for murder or somesuch (obviously he knows too much about the location of some relic or his theories have to be discredited or something) and has to go on the run- on his own withouth Marion or Mutt. That also fits the 50's feel very nicely.
Wilhelm said:I didn't like the FBI scene when I watched KOTCS the first time: it was too talky and abrupt with the style / storyline. But now I appreciate it more because the scene has a Hitchcockian feeling with the "wrong man" theme. I like the confrontation between reality (FBI, Cold War, Witch Hunt) with irreality (Aliens, Irina, KGB spies infiltrating an american base). In fact all the opening is surreal and dreamlike from Spalko' strange look to Doomtown. Hitchcock would continue the story with Indy and the FBI agents going back to the Hangar 51 and finding only airplane components inside the boxes and no trace of Irina, Aliens or russians (Like in North By Northwest when they go back to Townsend's house). In Darabont's script there are a lot more of Hitchcock elements during the first act (Maybe too many).
Darth Vile said:Personally - I think the ?Indy on the run? idea is much better than the ?suspect commie? subplot of KOTCS. And for that reason, I think ?The City of the Gods? screenplay misses it?s opportunity a lot more. Who knows? perhaps Lucas/Spielberg vetoed the idea of Indy IV going Hitchcock?esque? But again? I can only react to what I read on the page.
emtiem said:I'd love to see that; particularly a sort of Hitchcock version, which of course would fit in the 50's style so well. Stick him in the Monaco of 'To Catch a Thief', have him framed for murder by people who want him to shut up about his latest discovery so they can keep it all to themselves and send him off on a shiny train; lovely job. Also of course it gives us a good reason for Indy to be without his new family for most if not all of the film, depending on how you feel about them (although I have no particular objection to Mutt). That then leads on fairly naturally to a corrupt police force and some sort of Da Vinci-code style secret society, which I don't mind the idea of either.
Darth Vile said:...for me I'd like to see a move away from the chase/hunt/search for a religious artifact. I don't have an issue with an indirect involvement of an artifact... but personally I'd like to see the next Indy movie (if one ever happens) with Indy in the middle of a situation (rather than going on another quest for the "same ole' same ole").
I very much like the idea of Indy being on the run i.e. accussed of something he hasen't done a la 'The 39 Steps', 'The Fugitive' etc. I like the notion of Indy being hired (in keeping with Lucas' "Bounty Hunter" ideas of him), to give safe passage across some geography/location a la 'True Grit'. And I very much like the much talked about "Haunted Castle" possibility. Imagine all the secret passageways, doors and booby traps they could work into that...
If they went with those 3 basic concepts, the MacGuffin becomes a lot less primary, and is not weighed down by all the required expositional historical/emotional baggage.
Attila the Professor said:Nice thoughts there, Darth Vile - there's also the old "artifact in the bowling bag" trick used in Darabont's City of the Gods, which I thought was a pretty inspired idea. Really go Hitchcock for the fifth, y'know?
Darth Vile said:Agreed - the espionage type stuff from Darabont's was the best element to that script (IMHO). I'd certainly relish a Hitchcock approach for a fifth.
Darth Vile said:I liked the rooftop scene specifically because it was reminiscent of Alfred Hitchcock movies. However, I'm not convinced it's anything more imaginative than what appeared in KOTCS or the other movies. There is also no guarantee of course that if it were filmed, it would be any better than what appeared in KOTCS.
Darth Vile said:I'd go along with that... although, as we?ve mentioned before, I think Spielberg would probably be more inclined to "homage" the early Hitchcock movies e.g. 'The 39 Steps', 'Foreign Correspondent', ?Sabotage? etc. (which I can definitely imagine looking very "Indy").
emtiem said:Yes definitely- I'd kick it all off with the Indy on the run (he's The Wrong Man, of course) segment from City of the Gods, but have the rooftop chase across 50's Monte Carlo- very Cary Grant.
This advert shows the kind of visual feel it could have, and why not use the washing lines too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSTC5PwefHk
emtiem said:Still, I suppose we are getting into the time of spies, so a bit of double crossing and undercover stuff could work okay- that's pretty Hitchcock, after all! In fact, spies would be pretty good baddies too.
Darth Vile said:Of course we all want an Indy movie to be better than the best? but the bottom line is that they are action/adventure movies (albeit expensive/big production value ones). Of course that's not to say I wouldn't want to see a cross genre Indy movie (I've been vocal about wanting to see a Hitchcock type Indy movie for any possible Indy V).
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