Is every Indy fan a Bond fan?

Joosse

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You guys left out Vernon Dobtcheff who was in Last Crusade and the Spy who loved me...

Montana Smith said:
Rocket, what's your top pick of the Bond movies - which one would you place closest to Raiders?

From my impression of the Bond films I've seen, none of them come close to the engaging nature of an Indy movie.

For me personally, the 2006 Casino Royale comes very close. But that is a matter of personal taste. :D
 
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indyclone25

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sorry not a big fan of james bond , mostly cause i grew up in the time of roger moore as bond , just couldnt get into it and i have maybe seen four films out of the series
 

Joosse

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indyclone25 said:
sorry not a big fan of james bond , mostly cause i grew up in the time of roger moore as bond , just couldnt get into it and i have maybe seen four films out of the series

I can relate to that. I also grew up in the Roger Moore era and it was only when I saw the Sean Connery films that I became a true fan. I liked Timothy Dalton as well, but Pierce Brosnan was never really my Bond.

But now that Daniel Craig has taken up the part, I am once more a big time fan.
 

Peru1936

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I'm actually quite surprised there's an idea of some strong parallel between Indy and Bond. I've never felt that way, myself.

There are other characters more relative to Indy, Allan Quatermain the most obvious.

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I would also relate Indy more to Solomon Kane than to Bond.

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(And in googling for that picture above I just discovered there's a Solomon Kane film coming out soon. It doesn't look very good though...)

I'd even say there's more Congo Bill

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and even Don Quixote

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in our beloved Indy than there is anything of Bond.
 
Whaaat? The Solomon Kane film doesn't look good? I'm ridiculously excited for it. Despite my better judgment, I suppose... But damn does that trailer ever get my blood pumping.
 

Joosse

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Peru1936 said:
I'm actually quite surprised there's an idea of some strong parallel between Indy and Bond. I've never felt that way, myself.

It's not about the characters, it's about the films.

George Lucas and Steven Spielberg wanted to make films like the Bond movies, so they came up with the concept of Indiana Jones. They wanted a character that would have action adventures and travel to many different and exotic locations.

Originally they also wanted to make Indy's character more like Bond, making him a playboy, with him rushing a student out of the house just before Marcus comes in. But they decided against that at a later point, allthough I believe the scene was actually shot.

And as for Indy being like Don Quichote, you'll have to explain that one to me. I'm hoping it's a little more than "they both wear a hat..." ;)
 

Montana Smith

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Joosse said:
It's not about the characters, it's about the films.

George Lucas and Steven Spielberg wanted to make films like the Bond movies, so they came up with the concept of Indiana Jones. They wanted a character that would have action adventures and travel to many different and exotic locations.

Originally they also wanted to make Indy's character more like Bond, making him a playboy, with him rushing a student out of the house just before Marcus comes in. But they decided against that at a later point, allthough I believe the scene was actually shot.

And as for Indy being like Don Quichote, you'll have to explain that one to me. I'm hoping it's a little more than "they both wear a hat..." ;)

I know this was George and Steven's original intention, but I'm glad that Indy went his own way. (I wonder what sort of Bond Harrison Ford would have made?)

The connection between Indy and Don Quixote that I can see would be Quixote's reckless charging at windmills, and Indy's reckless pursuit of the artifact (especially illustrated by his 'I'm making it up as I go' quip, and his charging off after the German convoy in Raiders - without knowing exactly what he's going to do when he catches up with it).

I do think Indy owes a lot more to characters from Ryder Haggard than Ian Fleming.
 
Montana Smith said:
Rocket, what's your top pick of the Bond movies - which one would you place closest to Raiders? From my impression of the Bond films I've seen, none of them come close to the engaging nature of an Indy movie.

Picking the top one is tough, the Connery ones have to be Guy Hamilton's Goldfinger/Diamonds are Forever.

Never liked Lazenby, though the story line was pretty good, getting married/quitting...would have been interesting to see Connery deal with the character development.

Roger Moore's outings with Hamilton are my favorite too, then Bond goes (outterspace) all all the way Temple of Doom "cartoony".

Dalton, eh, Brosnan's were an interesting mix between the Connery/Moore films, (the digital "stunts" were crap! ...but the guitars got better!) and the move to Craig didn't seem like Bond, although the final product was leagues better than expected, and closer to the books I believe.

Top Bond? Not too many fans to upset here, but I really like Craig and everything they've done so far, most especially keeping him grounded and not psuedo sci-fi!

Connery playing a round of golf with Frobbe, the Nazi gold etc has to be one of my top segments. The way they dance around knowing who each other is, the banter is tops to me. Goldfinger/Casino Royale (2006).

I'm with Joose, Casino Royale comes closest. The parallels are more than just the character, but the the obvious co-op of the films structure, (the opening epilogue, action etc). But Casino comes very close, the character is tough and raw, then displays a "cultured side" complete with understanding the etiquette, (though there's no evidence he could teach a class!;) ). The action is well done; a nice truck chase and sword fight with his (headstrong/independent/brunette) leading lady getting into the action. Le Chiffre/Belloq both have an uneasy alliance with the other villainous faction, and they sit across the table from one another trading quips.

There are a lot of little things, as mentioned and others like tone...


Peru1936 said:
I'm actually quite surprised there's an idea of some strong parallel between Indy and Bond. There are other characters more relative to Indy, ...and even Don Quixote ...in our beloved Indy than there is anything of Bond.

Don Quixote? More relative than Bond?
 
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Montana Smith

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Rocket Surgeon said:
I'm with Joose, Casino Royale comes closest. The parallels are more than just the character, but the the obvious co-op of the films structure, (the opening epilogue, action etc). But Casino comes very close, the character is tough and raw, then displays a "cultured side" complete with understanding the etiquette, (though there's no evidence he could teach a class!;) ). The action is well done; a nice truck chase and sword fight with his (headstrong/independent/brunette) leading lady getting into the action. Le Chiffre/Belloq both have an uneasy alliance with the other villainous faction, and they sit across the table from one another trading quips.

There are a lot of little things, as mentioned and others like tone...

You make Bond sound interesting, Rocket. I think I'm going to have to see this version. From what I gather, Daniel Craig was taking Bond back to the character that Fleming created. I believe the original stories were more sadistic and brutal, as opposed to the way the films originally portrayed them.
 

Saber79

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I've seen all of the Bond films, growing up my dad had the whole set and used to watch them all the time. I enjoyed the Sean Connery films (well mostly the early ones) but to me they don't compare to Indy.

I guess Indiana Jones to me is what James Bond is to my dad. The generational hero.

Ironically enough, my middle name is James. Dad told me he got the idea after watching Goldfinger. I guess now I have to have my future kid have the middle name of either Henry or Indiana...:whip:
 
Montana Smith said:
You make Bond sound interesting, Rocket. I think I'm going to have to see this version. From what I gather, Daniel Craig was taking Bond back to the character that Fleming created. I believe the original stories were more sadistic and brutal, as opposed to the way the films originally portrayed them.

Cheers, you should see it...really exciting, even though it's based around a game of poker!

Sadistic and Brutal...it (the film) IS that in places.
 

kongisking

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I'm a fan of Daniel Craig's Bond, the only one which, I think, fulfills the potential the character has for good dramatic characterization, and explore what kind of person you would have to become in order to live with a OO license. And plus, he's the baddest, toughest, smartest and most believable of all the Bonds. Casino Royale is a masterpiece, and Quantum of Solace is EXTREMELY underrated. I look forward to Craig's next outing.
 

Joosse

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I just realised I never even mentioned the obvious Bond tribute in Temple of Doom...

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Sean Connery as Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom.

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Harrison Ford as James Bond in Goldfinger.

;)
 

lao che & sons

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I love bond! But only the connery ones.;) The others are just strange and some are horrible actors. Now I don't like it as much as indy, star wars, american graffiti, back to the future, jaws (1), or ghostbusters but I enjoy the films. Plus I where a 007 watch!:eek:
 
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