Is every Indy fan a Bond fan?

Apples and Oranges. There are various scenes that bring them closer together - but it's like saying every Star Wars fan is a Star Trek fan. Apples and Oranges.

Personally, I'm a big fan of both. but if I were to choose which Bond movie is the most similar to an Indy movie and vice versa, I'd have some trouble. Octopusy and Temple of Doom? Only because they both take place in India.
So drastically different.

*** The one HUGE aspect I've always found that they do have in common is their musical scores. The best of the Bonds and all four Indy movies are so recognizable in the first few seconds because of the distinct talents and defining sound of John Williams and John Barry. Each giving both franchises a different and unique tone that makes the movies easily identifiable. Two iconic scores and main title themes that are unforgettable. Stunts and stage presence aside - this is one element that is often overlooked. And when you find two composers that come up with such memorable themes for the most fast paced of action sequences, it's gold.

AnnieJones said:

1.Ian Fleming,the author of James Bond,also wrote the children's story Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

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...and the Child-Catcher was much creepier than any Bond villian.

AnnieJones said:

2.James Bond,was created in January 1952 by Ian Fleming while on holiday at his Jamaican estate, Goldeneye. The hero, James Bond, was named after an American ornithologist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond_(ornithologist) , a Caribbean bird expert and author of the definitive field guide book Birds of the West Indies. Fleming, a keen birdwatcher, had a copy of Bond's field guide at Goldeneye.

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I think Fleming was himself posted to the Bahamas with British Intelligence, in a unit tasked with intercepting trans-Atlantic mail. He recalled a hotel with a huge fish-tank filling a wall, which was to inspire some ofthe scenes in Bond.

Fleming was part of British Naval Intelligence during World War Two, and was amongst other things posted as a liason officer to the United States. He also took part in the Dieppe raid, on board one of the ships, but never made it to shore.

Many of his real life events influenced the James Bond novels, like playing several high ranking Nazi officers in a neutral Casino inspired him to write Casino Royale. Unfortunately, unlike Bond, Fleming lost...

The ornithologist James Bond once considered taking action against Fleming because he had used his name. But he was stopped by his wife, because she told him that she rather enjoyed being able to tell people that she was married to the 'real' James Bond...

Joosse said:

Fleming was part of British Naval Intelligence during World War Two, and was amongst other things posted as a liason officer to the United States. He also took part in the Dieppe raid, on board one of the ships, but never made it to shore.

Many of his real life events influenced the James Bond novels, like playing several high ranking Nazi officers in a neutral Casino inspired him to write Casino Royale. Unfortunately, unlike Bond, Fleming lost...

The ornithologist James Bond once considered taking action against Fleming because he had used his name. But he was stopped by his wife, because she told him that she rather enjoyed being able to tell people that she was married to the 'real' James Bond...

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I have a really good book called 'A Man Called Intrepid', written by William Stevenson about Sir William Stephenson (confusing!) It's a history of the British Intelligence Service from the days of the Baker Street Irregulars, the secret training camp in Canada, and throughout the Second World War.

Stephenson is considered to be an inspiration for Bond. Fleming supposedly wrote that "James Bond is a highly romanticized version of a true spy. The real thing is ... William Stephenson." (Preface to 'Room 3603', H. Montgomery Hyde - that came from Wikipedia, which I use advisedly as a jumping off point).

'A Man Called Inrepid' is a great read, and also records some of Fleming's own real life 'adventures'.

I despise Bond films.

InVader said:

I despise Bond films.

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Thank you for sharing that.

Any particular reason you feel that strongly about them?

Speaking of Fleming, theres apparently two biopics on the way. One being produced by Leonardo DiCaprio (who I assume will be playing Fleming) which will be set during the time Fleming was writing Casino Royale with flashbacks to his work with MI6 during the war. And another supposedly starring James McAvoy, though he said it was just a rumor (but admitted he'd seen the script).

About time Fleming got a proper biopic.

Personally I find 007 revolting. Suggesting that most Indiana Jones fans are James Bond fans is like saying that most Adam 12 fans are Dragnet fans or that all Warcraft fans are Ever Quest fans.

However it is because of Indiana Jones that I took a deeper interest in Archeology, World History and foreign cultures and societies.

As for younger Indiana Jones fans (like myself) it is common to also like The Mummy and Tomb Raider.

RedeemedChild said:

Personally I find 007 revolting. Suggesting that most Indiana Jones fans are James Bond fans is like saying that most Adam 12 fans are Dragnet fans or that all Warcraft fans are Ever Quest fans.

However it is because of Indiana Jones that I took a deeper interest in Archeology, World History and foreign cultures and societies.

As for younger Indiana Jones fans (like myself) it is common to also like The Mummy and Tomb Raider.

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I can't make heads or tails of your post.

I know many Indy fans who find 007 to be wonderful and badass.

I liked the bond films when Connery and Pierce played the roles.

Agent Crab said:

I can't make heads or tails of your post.

I know many Indy fans who find 007 to be wonderful and badass.

I liked the bond films when Connery and Pierce played the roles.

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I liked Connery to. Now I don't pay attention James Bond due to Daniel Craig's casting. I have nothing against him as a person. I simply don't like his version of Bond.

RedeemedChild said:

I liked Connery to. Now I don't pay attention James Bond due to Daniel Craig's casting. I have nothing against him as a person. I simply don't like his version of Bond.

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Yet, this is closer to the version that Fleming intended. When David Niven played Bond in the original Casino Royale, it was a spoof of Bond. The films that followed carried an element of that spoof. Craig's version is a bridge between the old and the new, bringing Bond a little closer to real-life, whilst still retaining a few wild stunts and gadgets.

Indiana Jones was himself never a saint, and as such was an unlikely role model for the kids.

I love both. In fact, I love 100% of Indy movies, and around 90% of Bond movies.

There is a certain irony in that when I was a kid, Bond movies were to me then (and my generation) what Indiana Jones movies are to kids now i.e. predominantly a TV viewing experience (as opposed to cinematic)... and a character that appealed more to dads than it did their kids. Feelin' old...

Montana Smith said:

I have a really good book called 'A Man Called Intrepid', written by William Stevenson about Sir William Stephenson (confusing!) It's a history of the British Intelligence Service from the days of the Baker Street Irregulars, the secret training camp in Canada, and throughout the Second World War.

Stephenson is considered to be an inspiration for Bond. Fleming supposedly wrote that "James Bond is a highly romanticized version of a true spy. The real thing is ... William Stephenson." (Preface to 'Room 3603', H. Montgomery Hyde - that came from Wikipedia, which I use advisedly as a jumping off point).

'A Man Called Inrepid' is a great read, and also records some of Fleming's own real life 'adventures'.

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CAMP X near Kapuskasing, Ontario! Fleming was also there for a brief period (but I don't think he was training as a spy, if I recall correctly.) Re: "A Man Called Intrepid". I have the book but have never read it. As for the physical image of Fleming's character, THIS is Bond: Hoagy Carmichael...

tambourineman said:

Speaking of Fleming, theres apparently two biopics on the way. One being produced by Leonardo DiCaprio (who I assume will be playing Fleming) which will be set during the time Fleming was writing Casino Royale with flashbacks to his work with MI6 during the war. And another supposedly starring James McAvoy, though he said it was just a rumor (but admitted he'd seen the script).

About time Fleming got a proper biopic.

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Hey, Mr. Tambourine. Thanks for the heads-up!Have you ever seen "Spymaker" with Jason Connery? There's also the original, "Goldeneye" bio-pic, with Charles Dance as Ian Fleming.

AnnieJones said:

1.Ian Fleming,the author of James Bond,also wrote the children's story Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

2.James Bond,was created in January 1952 by Ian Fleming while on holiday at his Jamaican estate, Goldeneye. The hero, James Bond, was named after an American ornithologist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond_(ornithologist) , a Caribbean bird expert and author of the definitive field guide book Birds of the West Indies. Fleming, a keen birdwatcher, had a copy of Bond's field guide at Goldeneye.

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1. I LOVE "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" and just bought it for my niece.

2. Try and see the original "Goldeneye" from 1989 because there is nice tip o'the hat to that.

Darth Vile said:

There is a certain irony in that when I was a kid, Bond movies were to me then (and my generation) what Indiana Jones movies are to kids now i.e. predominantly a TV viewing experience (as opposed to cinematic)... and a character that appealed more to dads than it did their kids. Feelin' old...

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Confused. When were you a kid? (You've mentioned seeing "Star Wars" and "Raiders" in the theatre.) A new Bond movie was released every 2 years up until '89. Where were you, Darth?

Stoo said:

A new Bond movie was released every 2 years up until '89. Where were you, Darth?

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There were indeed many James Bond movies made throughout my childhood. Point being is that they appeared more often on TV than they did in the cinema (always a James Bond movie on during a bank holiday weekend/Xmas). Besides, the Bond of my day was very much the latter half of Roger Moore's tenure... and the competition (which showed us how passe Bond had become) was very much the Indiana Jones and Star Wars movies, which were leagues ahead of the Bond movies of the 1980's (IMHO).

I have to say Im shocked about the amount of negative remarks about 007 on here. Lots of words like "hate", "despise", "revolting" etc. but nobody has really given any reasons for feeling that way.

I just dont really see what there is to hate. With Bond movies we get lots of globetrotting to far way and exotic places, some of the best stuntwork and action scenes ever on film, beautiful women, colorful villains, exotic sports cars and a cool and charismatic leading man. These are things most people like (hence the enduring popularity of the series over 22 movies) and are things I would have thought fans of movies like Indiana Jones particularly would appreciate (and Indy owes 007 a big debt). Nobody has to like them, but hate??

And I think it is a very valid comparison, I dont think its apples and oranges. Theres a lot of similarities. Both series follow a very similar formula, they both involve jetsetting around beautiful and exotic foriegn locals, both mix up romance and intrigue with big stunts and action set pieces (which both also start each movie with), both have the obligatory fist fight with the villains henchman, and so on and so on. They even share many of the same crew and actors. Both have had the same stuntmen and stunt co-ordinators, one actor has even played the main villain in both series and another has played the love interest of both men. And Connery as Indy's dad needs no mention. And its no secret that Steven Spielberg's desire to direct a Bond picture paved the way for Indy. Of course theres a lot of differences too, but its hard to think of another series that has as much in common with Indy than James Bond. So I think its definately a worthwhile comparison.

Stoo said:

Hey, Mr. Tambourine. Thanks for the heads-up!Have you ever seen "Spymaker" with Jason Connery? There's also the original, "Goldeneye" bio-pic, with Charles Dance as Ian Fleming.

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I did see one biopic, not sure what its called. It was made in a mockumentary style with interviews with actors playing Fleming and prominent people in his live, with flashbacks to important events in his life.

tambourineman said:

I have to say Im shocked about the amount of negative remarks about 007 on here. Lots of words like "hate", "despise", "revolting" etc. but nobody has really given any reasons for feeling that way.

I just dont really see what there is to hate. With Bond movies we get lots of globetrotting to far way and exotic places, some of the best stuntwork and action scenes ever on film, beautiful women, colorful villains, exotic sports cars and a cool and charismatic leading man. These are things most people like (hence the enduring popularity of the series over 22 movies) and are things I would have thought fans of movies like Indiana Jones particularly would appreciate (and Indy owes 007 a big debt). Nobody has to like them, but hate??

And I think it is a very valid comparison, I dont think its apples and oranges. Theres a lot of similarities. Both series follow a very similar formula, they both involve jetsetting around beautiful and exotic foriegn locals, both mix up romance and intrigue with big stunts and action set pieces (which both also start each movie with), both have the obligatory fist fight with the villains henchman, and so on and so on. They even share many of the same crew and actors. Both have had the same stuntmen and stunt co-ordinators, one actor has even played the main villain in both series and another has played the love interest of both men. And Connery as Indy's dad needs no mention. And its no secret that Steven Spielberg's desire to direct a Bond picture paved the way for Indy. Of course theres a lot of differences too, but its hard to think of another series that has as much in common with Indy than James Bond. So I think its definately a worthwhile comparison.

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I'm playing the devils advocate here, as I like a lot of the Bond movies... but I think it's a valid claim that the sheer volume of sub par Bond movies have made it more difficult to get behind it as a franchise. The bad Bond movies have, to some degree, tarnished the reputation of Bond (as some would say KOTCS has done to Indy).

Still, regardless of wether one likes the character, Bond has cemented his name in cinematic history. The character became a popular cultural phenomenon of the 1960's and spawned some truly classic Cold War, high production value action thrillers. As we moved into the 21st century, the character became somewhat passe (a little like Indy), and it's ironic (and somewhat postmodern) that the reboot requires Bond to play Jason Bourne, who in turn was playing a modern Bond i.e. the imitated becomes the imitator.

Darth Vile said:

I'm playing the devils advocate here, as I like a lot of the Bond movies... but I think it's a valid claim that the sheer volume of sub par Bond movies have made it more difficult to get behind it as a franchise. The bad Bond movies have, to some degree, tarnished the reputation of Bond (as some would say KOTCS has done to Indy).

Still, regardless of wether one likes the character, Bond has cemented his name in cinematic history. The character became a popular cultural phenomenon of the 1960's and spawned some truly classic Cold War, high production value action thrillers. As we moved into the 21st century, the character became somewhat passe (a little like Indy), and it's ironic (and somewhat postmodern) that the reboot requires Bond to play Jason Bourne, who in turn was playing a modern Bond i.e. the imitated becomes the imitator.

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Actually the amount of bad Bond movies isn't as great as you would think, or some people would have you believe. Yes, Moonraker and A View to a Kill were awfull. But I personally believe that it is the inability of some boardmembers to see pictures in their time that is influencing their rather rash behaviour.

I'm a teacher so I'm quite used to behaviour like that from children, and I usually find that they eventually grow out of it.

As for the Bond/Bourne argument, I have heard it before. But people tend to forget that the Bond from Fleming's books was already tough as nails. The franchise simply lost it's way for a while, but this was also a reaction to society.

I for one also enjoyed Timothy Dalton's Bond, who was already a lot more tough and gritty, but the world wasn't ready for that at the time.

I'll be the first to agree that there are some.. less than great Bond films. Theres probably about half a dozen Bond films that only a Bond fan could truly appreciate. But for a movie series spanning 40 years and 22 movies it has been remarkably consistent. Most series are lucky to make it to three films without turning to trash. Bond loses his way occasionally, but he always bounces back with a new classic.

Ive never agreed with the Bourne comparison. Daniel Craig's Bond as I see him is really very little removed from the way Connery played Bond in Dr No and From Russia With Love. When Bond was the man, not the superhero. And he is quite like the Bond of Fleming's novels.

Joosse said:

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As for the Bond/Bourne argument, I have heard it before. But people tend to forget that the Bond from Fleming's books was already tough as nails. The franchise simply lost it's way for a while, but this was also a reaction to society.

I for one also enjoyed Timothy Dalton's Bond, who was already a lot more tough and gritty, but the world wasn't ready for that at the time.

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tambourineman said:

Ive never agreed with the Bourne comparison. Daniel Craig's Bond as I see him is really very little removed from the way Connery played Bond in Dr No and From Russia With Love. When Bond was the man, not the superhero. And he is quite like the Bond of Fleming's novels.

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It?s not so much the character (as Bond is his own man of course), but the stylized nature of the movie that shows it?s taken a leaf from the more modern counter parts. These things are cyclical? and as for the Dalton Bond, I agree, he should have had a couple more outings to further make his mark. Ironically, I think the producers tried to take a leaf from Indiana Jones? book (either directly or indirectly) when casting Dalton, who was a little less suave looking than his predecessors and had a similar body shape/physical presence to Harrison Ford.