agentsands77
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Nope, I'm not. In superficial elements, yes, Ledger's Joker is extremely different. But as far as the spirit of the character goes, I see a lot more of THE KILLING JOKE, ARKHAM ASYLUM, BATMAN #1, THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS in Ledger's Joker than I do in Jack's.MaxPhactor23 said:Which comics? Now you’ve got to be joking here.
Maybe, maybe not. There is something the make-up brings on its own that I find quite interesting. It's not comic-origin faithful, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a few comics pick up on it.MaxPhactor23 said:Apparently bleached skin, hair, and lips were too unrealistic for Nolan…
I've read "The Laughing Fish" (I'm very familiar with Batman comics across the board), but I'd never call it "very dark." It's generally pretty lighthearted in its own way.MaxPhactor23 said:He even once tried to patent fish in one of my all-time favorite stories! And it's dark, it's very dark!
I think the humor that's crucial to the character is less his use of gags and goofy things to kill, and more his own personal mirth at destruction. It's his delight in murder and mayhem that makes me smile.MaxPhactor23 said:How he twists and perverts something humorous into something inhuman and oftentimes gruesomely violent. Therein lies the true mania and horror. The humor is crucial to the character.
But it's not Ledger's Joker is devoid of the gag impulse. Haven't you read about the pencil trick?
I entirely understand how much of a departure Ledger's Joker is from the traditional, iconic version of the character. But I don't think that different = bad, given that the Joker's hit a plateau in recent years. I'm more interested in seeing the character evolve.MaxPhactor23 said:Do you at least get what I'm trying to say?
And it's quite clear that this has already begun to influence the comics. There was BATMAN #663 (which was retconned out, I believe, but is still a very interesting issue nonetheless), the BATMAN: CONFIDENTIAL Joker origin, and now we have the much-anticipated Brian Azzarello/Lee Bermejo Joker comic.
Well, you can hardly blame folks for finding Ledger's Joker more compelling. I do myself. With Ledger's Joker (judging from trailers and clips), I really feel like I'm looking at anarchy incarnate, a guy who sees life as a sick twisted joke. He haunts me more than any version of the Joker so far.MaxPhactor23 said:I just grow so tired of the fan boy praise of Heath and sudden fan boy bashing of Jack, especially when I personally see more of the "real" Joker in Burtons.
And I have to say, Jack's Joker has never done much for me. I always thought it was a lazy performance. For that style of Joker, I've always preferred Hammill's Joker on the animated series.