Star Trek 2009

WhipItGood

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I think the "under construction" angle is a good marketing too since it demonstrates (for better or worse) that they're literally and figuratively rebuilding the franchise from the ground up. And to the new generation of fans Paramount must attract for the franchise to succeed, they feel like they're getting in on the entry level... even before it starts, in terms of the classic series.

I'm not a huge Trekkie by any means, but at least their marketing for the film seems off to a good start. So far.
 

Katarn07

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Hawkeye said:
They really messed up the TNG movies

Generations and First Contact are awesome. They're the only ST movies I found worth owning.

I'm not looking forward to this one at all. I'll wait for DVD or it to be shown on TV....
 

Hawkeye

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I agree, Generations and First Contact are two of my favorites, too. But look at Insurrection and Nemesis, especially Nemesis, and you'll see my point. Killing Data really blew that movie for me. Besides, the TNG movies were very repetitive. The Enterprise would encounter a villain who would create a problem, Picard would find some woman to fall in love with, then in the end Picard would fight the villain personally. At least the TOS movies were fresh and exciting in their plots (With the exception of The Final Frontier). And while I really doubt the new Trek movie will be really popular outside of the Trekkies who embrace the new cast, I'll be seeing it nonetheless. I'm weird like that. :whip:
 
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Michael24

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I'm a STAR TREK fan. I like all the movies from STAR TREK II up to INSURRECTION. My favorite series are TNG and ENTERPRISE, and TOS when I was little. DS9 was okay for the first couple of seasons, but VOYAGER I was never able to get into.

I'm not looking forward to the new movie. I'm not a fan of J.J. Abrams and I'm unhappy with their decision to reboot the franchise. I don't think it needs any rebooting. The teaser certainly looked cool, but I'm expecting that's about as good as the whole thing is gonna get.
 

Indy4fan

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Hawkeye said:
I love the new teaser! They really messed up the TNG movies, and I'm glad they're going back to TOS. The cast looks great, and so does the new Enterprise. The plot really sounds bad, though. Sounds more like a fanfic. Shatner REALLY needs to shut up about not being in the film. Kirk DIED!! And yet he still complains. He just wants more money. To use his own phrase against him, "Get a life!!".
Uh, no. The fans want him back and the media keeps asking him if he is...


haha and you guys want Abner Ravenwood...:rolleyes:
 

Hawkeye

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Indy4fan said:
haha and you guys want Abner Ravenwood...:rolleyes:

Well, at least Abner isn't a character we've SEEN die. Just because Marion said he was dead doesn't neccessarily mean he was. People make mistakes.
 

Indy4fan

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Hawkeye said:
Well, at least Abner isn't a character we've SEEN die. Just because Marion said he was dead doesn't neccessarily mean he was. People make mistakes.
His DAUGHTER is going to make that MISTAKE?? LOL, Anyhoo back to Star Trek...
 

00Kevin

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regarding the idea of abner being alive, keep in mind all those comic books where people seem to have died but really didn't. just look at the show 24, a character was killed on screen 2 years ago and he's going to come back for this next season, if you want to bring someone back in a film or show, you just need a logical explanation

I was never really into the whole star trek franchise, but the trailer looks very intriguing and the whole idea of a star trek prequel will no doubt be a major movie event! I will definitely see it
 

Michael24

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00Kevin said:
regarding the idea of abner being alive, keep in mind all those comic books where people seem to have died but really didn't. just look at the show 24, a character was killed on screen 2 years ago and he's going to come back for this next season, if you want to bring someone back in a film or show, you just need a logical explanation

True, but that's always such a cheap move and an easy way out, so having Abner be alive after all would just seem really cheap to me.
 

HovitosKing

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A new interview with Abrams from Comingsoon.net (CS) doesn't have me very optimistic about this film...Abrams comes across as a sunshine-spewing cult leader talking about butterflies and rainbows. This was perhaps the most irrelevant, uninformative, say-nothing interview I've seen in a long time. Perhaps he should have just said "No comment at this time."


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CS: You've said that you didn't start out as an uber-fan of "Star Trek," but you quickly became a fan. Can you talk in general terms about what you fell in love with about the whole franchise?

Abrams: I fell in love with the relationships between the characters. I fell in love with the characters. The idea of – it's so funny because you hear something so often and it loses it's meaning. But "space, the final frontier" – if you actually consider space as uncharted territory there's something about the idea of these people, because any ship flying by isn't going to get you excited. It's who's on the ship that matters. I feel like these characters actually going out into that nothingness and finding something is great. Having lived with it now and gotten to know the characters and worked with amazing actors who portrayed them, it made me fall in love with that notion, that idea that for some reason never struck me the way that "Twilight Zone" did.

CS: Are you ready to talk about the Jennifer Morrison character? There's been a lot of speculation and confusion as to exactly who she's playing.

Abrams: She is so great. I'll just say that she plays Kirk's mother. She's awesome. Great.

CS: Does the film feature many flashback sequences? We also know that Winona Ryder is playing Spock's mother.

Abrams: Yeah, most of the movie is not - I wouldn't call them flashbacks, but she's in a great sequence and is so good. I love her.

CS: What can you say about about working with Leonard Nimoy?

Abrams: It was really just a dream experience, working with him. He is everything you want him to be. He's funny and incredibly thoughtful and was surprisingly open and receptive to direction. He's just got an amazing wife and family and working with him was literally... Like the other day we were doing some ADR and he was there and because we weren't shooting anymore I was standing there and I just looked at him while he was doing his thing. I wanted to burn it into my head. It was so great to get to work with that guy. He's just an amazing man and is terrific in the movie.

CS: Is he a major presence in the film?

Abrams: Yeah. I think he's a major presence in any scene he's in. He's terrific.
 

Hawkeye

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HovitosKing said:
A new interview with Abrams from Comingsoon.net (CS) doesn't have me very optimistic about this film...Abrams comes across as a sunshine-spewing cult leader talking about butterflies and rainbows. This was perhaps the most irrelevant, uninformative, say-nothing interview I've seen in a long time. Perhaps he should have just said "No comment at this time."


I think what Abrams is attempting to do is assure Trekkies that his movie will be the Second Coming; After such cinematic flops as "The Final Frontier" and "Nemesis", a lot of fans are wary of the new film. Recasting the Original Series characters? A Kirk with Han Solo as an inspiration? I think this new movie will be hit or miss. I'll definitely go see it, but I'm on the fence when it comes to optimism.
 

HovitosKing

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Yeah that's my sentiment as well. I think science fiction film and television has moved beyond the likes of Trek and Wars, and any new vision involving those franchises is going to have to be completely novel. Like the Bond franchise reinventing itself with Casino Royale in order to compete with the next generation of spy thrillers (a la Jason Bourne), Trek is going to have to take a new direction as well in order to keep up with the groundbreaking shift in sci fi brought on by the likes of Serenity and others. We can't just boldly go where Star Trek has already gone before.
 

Grizzlor

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My view on the film is that Abrams has to go in a different stylistic direction than previous Trek, to entice the masses to come see. Then again, the way films are released these days, Will Ferrell can do a movie of him taking a dump for 2 hours and millions and millions of sheep will go out and see it.

If you thought there was some KOTCS backlash, you have no idea what is waiting for J.J. next year. As for Abrams, he's very good with melodramatic character projects, like Lost or Felicity or Alias. On the larger action side, he has stunk IMO, with MI:III being a horrid movie devoid of reason.

I think the inclusion of Nimoy is going to turn out to be a giant disaster for J.J. though. Already there is a vocal moderate percentage or Trekkies (including me) who are not happy that Shatner was not included with Nimoy, and Spock without Kirk is going to look completely retarded. I'm also not keen on Nimoy's acting chops anymore. We'll see. I wouldn't have had the balls to recast TOS characters, so maybe he's got the strength to make it work?
 

Grizzlor

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Agent Spalko said:
I have more contempt for Abrams and this film than KOTCS. No, really.
I just fell off my chair! And a year from now, I'll probably be defending it against you, like KOTCS. HA ha ha. I really have lost all interest in Star Trek, sadly. Paramount's Rick Berman basically spit on The Original Series for over a decade, and disregarded fan sentiment entirely, and now they want us to spend more money on this franchise? I've quietly enjoyed watching the Remastered TOS episodes in HD, albeit at midnight Sunday to do it. It finishes next month. My other trepidation is that the writers of the Trek film, Orci and Kurtzman, also did Transformers. Michael Bay's worthlessness aside, the script was a bag of flaming boogers.
 

The Man

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