Darth Vile said:You are sort of contradicting yourself here… Are you stating that your word is the law and you can scientifically prove that, for example, “Irina’s Theme” is not as good as “Short Round’s Theme”? Or are you simply stating that in your opinion you don’t think they are as good? If it's the former, I'd like to see some musical evidence to support the argument. If it's the latter... then it's just an opinion right? And all opinions are valid... even if our opinions differ.
Uki said:I don't think my Pre-K class has much need of detention... But a very cute, snarky reply, nevertheless.
No Ticket said:But I think it's pretty obvious the Raiders March is better than any particular theme in the new film alone. Reprisals of old themes do not count.
Forbidden Eye said:Well, if we're going to play by those rules, the Raiders March is better than any of the others themes in any of the 4 films.
Nothing else the Indiana Jones films have offered score wise is as near memorable as the Raiders March. The only thing that might come close is The Map Room score, but The Raiders March is obviously more memorable than anything else Williams offered in this franchise.
Udvarnoky said:I agree with No Ticket. I can easily remember all of the main themes from the original trilogy off the top of my head. The Ark theme and the Nazi cue from Raiders? Totally memorable. The trek music and Short Round music from Temple of Doom? I can hum it right now. The Grail theme and new Nazi music from Last Crusade? I don't need to rewatch the films to remember those.
There a few tunes I like in Indy4, but they just aren't as memorable as the other movies'. Part of that is that the score is a bit more subtle, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it's also just a significantly worse score. I also didn't care for how much music Williams recycled. It's okay to play Marion's theme when she's around or a few notes from Last Crusade when showing a picture of Henry Jones, Sr. But to simply reprise the Grail Theme at the end of the movie? That felt really cheap an inappropriate. I also didn't like how a cue from War of the Worlds was used for the obelisk scene.
Udvarnoky said:I don't need to rewatch the films to remember those.
Forbidden Eye said:Well, how many times have you watched the previous three. Since your posting on these forums, I take it you have seen em multiple and countless times like we all have.
Obviously, it'll be easier to remember music to a film you've seen multiple times than a movie you've seen only a couple times so far(how many times have you seen KOTCS?).
To be honest, all the themes mentioned from TOD are completely unmemorable to me, more than KOTCS. I pretty much know how they sound, but when I think of TOD, let alone Indiana Jones, those themes don't pop up in my head at all. To me, the spike room theme and the Thuggee ceremony music is what sticks out of TOD more than those themes.
No Ticket said:But if you're going to play by the music is subjective rule then everything in this thread is pointless because your opinions don't matter to anyone but yourself and there is no real argument for anyone to have about it. I mean, really, that's the truth of it.
I also disagree, I find the grail theme, Marion's theme and a few others right under the radar of the greatness that is the March. We all know the march is the best piece. But I find Marion's theme, grail theme, ark theme... all better themes than any new themes I've heard in the new movie.
I personally feel the Star Wars themes in the prequels are more on par equally with their older trilogy counterparts. Flag Parade, Duel of the Fates, Across the Stars and that obi-wan vs. anakin on mustafar piece (and the opening piece from ROTS) are all, to me, higher in quality than anything in this new film.
I am not saying they are bad. Williams doesn't really do BAD.
Forbidden Eye said:I don't actually disagree with anything you just said(although I don't find the Marion or the grail themes all THAT great), I was just pointing out that saying KOTCS has no new themes as good as The Raiders March is an unfair expectation, as nothing else Indiana Jones music-wise is as memorable as the Raiders March. Heck there are more fingers on an average human being then there are film themes as memorable as the Raiders March.
No Ticket said:Marion's theme sounds a lot like Han & Leia's from ESB... to me... gee, I wonder why. Han & Leia's is better though.
No Ticket said:Marion's theme sounds a lot like Han & Leia's from ESB... to me... gee, I wonder why. Han & Leia's is better though.
Bvance said:Dang! That's a hard one to decide if Han and Leia's theme or Indy and Marion's theme is better. I'm going to have to think about this for awhile. They are very similar though.
The Man said:I think I'd have to go for Han & Leia's. It has a galactic sweep to it. To be honest, I prefer the Star Wars music to Indy's overall...
No Ticket said:Marion's theme sounds a lot like Han & Leia's from ESB... to me... gee, I wonder why. Han & Leia's is better though.
The Man said:I think I'd have to go for Han & Leia's. It has a galactic sweep to it. To be honest, I prefer the Star Wars music to Indy's overall...
*dons helmet and gumshield*
Forbidden Eye said:Obviously, it'll be easier to remember music to a film you've seen multiple times than a movie you've seen only a couple times so far(how many times have you seen KOTCS?).
Bvance said:I was thinking this too, how Han and Leia's theme does have a certain galactic feel to it that just about wins me over.
Star Wars does seem to have more memorable, or better placed orchestral themes than the Indy films. But both are amazing works!