RaiderMitch
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Stoo... you'd be surprised who watches the reads the Raven posts...so you may get your official answer to the Map questions..
Rocket Surgeon said:So, are they hand numbered?
Stoo said:Attila, did Mr. Busch actually place Mayapore in China or is that an error on your part?
Mine is signed/not numbered, so I'm pretty sure you can still get one. Send him an email, he sounds like a nice guy.lightsyder said:Anyone know if these will be sold again or was it a one time sale?
Any reason that the Nurhachi Urn was put near Turkey, seems very strange.Attila the Professor said:Yeah, that was a transcription error on my part. It is India.
Also, for the record, my number is 247 of 255.
dr.jones1986 said:Any reason that the Nurhachi Urn was put near Turkey, seems very strange.
In 1935, Indiana Jones was hired by Lao Che, a Chinese crime lord, to retrieve the ashes. Jones discovered the ashes sitting in a Turkish pawn shop in Istanbul, and brought them to Shanghai[1].
1935 Is very jam packed with adventure for Indy and a second trip to Turkey before TOD would be implausible. I prefer to go with The Emperor's Tomb as canon and Indy discovering Nurhachi's ashes in China after the events of the game. It is silly that a Chinese Emperor's ashes would be in Turkey anyway and it seems the only source that mentions this is the junior novel anyway. If you have Indy finding Nurhachi in China then he only makes one trip to the country because the search for Nurhachi begins right after the end of Emperor's Tomb.Attila the Professor said:The recent junior novel, apparently.
A strong part of me refuses to believe this. 1935 is insane enough as it is without adding a second visit to Turkey to the existing multiple visits to China and India. (Honestly, can we just all get together and agree that Emperor's Tomb is some kind of a fever dream? It fouls everything up.)
dr.jones1986 said:1935 Is very jam packed with adventure for Indy and a second trip to Turkey before TOD would be implausible. I prefer to go with The Emperor's Tomb as canon and Indy discovering Nurhachi's ashes in China after the events of the game. It is silly that a Chinese Emperor's ashes would be in Turkey anyway and it seems the only source that mentions this is the junior novel anyway. If you have Indy finding Nurhachi in China then he only makes one trip to the country because the search for Nurhachi begins right after the end of Emperor's Tomb.
Suzanne Weyn said:Whatever Lao Che's reasons were, Indy had to admit, at least to himself, that he'd enjoyed the challenge of finding the urn containing Nurhachi's ashes. Years earlier, it had been smuggled out of China and sold on the black market. Through rigorous research and with steely determination, Indy had tracked the urn to a tiny, dark pawn shop in Istanbul where it had been sitting unopened for years. Indiana toasted Nurhachi. "Welcome home, old boy," he said, draining the last...
Max McCoy said:"And I'm sure someday you'll tell me," Brody said. "Oh, one last thing, and the real reason I called. Have you ever heard of something called the ashes of Nurhachi?"
"Yes," Indy said, "but I'd like to rest before I go to Shanghai chasing after them. Also, I've got a job offer that I need to consider. I may be changing colleges soon."
Indy meeting Wu Han in Dinosaur Eggs (which makes more sense as far as them being "old friends") and entering the tomb of the First Emperor in Secret of the Spinx are contradictions with Emperor's Tomb. The game also has Indy at Barnett College, which Secret of the Spinx mentions at the end of the novel. This just seems like a bad mistake on the writers of these stories. It is an easy mistake to understand because they don't really mention the name of the college Indy works for in Raiders.Attila the Professor said:Well, Emperor's Tomb also throws the events of Max McCoy's Secret of the Sphinx (and Dinosaur Eggs, as far as Wu Han is concerned) into chaos.
But here's what I can reconstruct from the snippet views on Google Books of Suzanne Weyn's 2008 account of the recovery of Nurhachi, from page 15:
So, that's what we've got. And as I recall, incidentally, Marcus mentions Nurhachi at the end of Secret of the Sphinx:
Which gives us an apparent, although not entirely necessary, contradiction. Still...Emperor's Tomb ruins everything.
(Oh, and the college in question is Barnett, in 1934. Seems like Marshall was the temporary post.)
Attila the Professor said:Originally Posted by Suzanne Weyn
Whatever Lao Che's reasons were, Indy had to admit, at least to himself, that he'd enjoyed the challenge of finding the urn containing Nurhachi's ashes. Years earlier, it had been smuggled out of China and sold on the black market. Through rigorous research and with steely determination, Indy had tracked the urn to a tiny, dark pawn shop in Istanbul where it had been sitting unopened for years.
Rocket Surgeon said:Wow, Indy walked into a Pawn Shop and bought it...ADVENTURE!
dr.jones1986 said:Indy meeting Wu Han in Dinosaur Eggs (which makes more sense as far as them being "old friends") and entering the tomb of the First Emperor in Secret of the Spinx are contradictions with Emperor's Tomb. The game also has Indy at Barnett College, which Secret of the Spinx mentions at the end of the novel. This just seems like a bad mistake on the writers of these stories. It is an easy mistake to understand because they don't really mention the name of the college Indy works for in Raiders.
I still like Indy finding Nurhachi in China as a better backstory because it would give him more time to interact with Wu Han and Short Round, who Indy appears to be close with by the time of ToD.
1933 may not seem very old but it is still better than him meeting Wu Han a few weeks before the movie.Lao_Che said:Hmm... Should I use my invisibility powers for good or for evil..?
1933's still too soon for an old friend to me. The ToD Sourcebook had Wu Han meeting and helping out Indy and his dad in 1914 when they were in China chasing up Holy Grail clues (which they did in the Young Indy books after WW1 kept Henry from his European sources).
LucasArts ain't too great for maintaining continuity. The only thing keeping Abner Ravenwood out of Emperor's Tomb was game limitations.
No, I did not know that, Rocket. Maybe it should be a 3 man operation.Rocket Surgeon said:You KNOW it's a two man operation right?
Actually, Mitch, it wouldn't suprise me who reads the threads because I know who one of them is and the user name he posts with.RaiderMitch said:Stoo... you'd be surprised who watches the reads the Raven posts...so you may get your official answer to the Map questions..