P Tom said:^ Does the position of the eagle insignia on the uniform (on the shoulders, left chest, right chest) have any particular symbolism?
Himmler prized the plain and simple Blutorden, or Blood Order, above all his other decorations. This medal, also known as the ?Ehrenzeichen vom 9. November 1923?, recognized NSDAP members who had participated in the Beer Hall putsch or rendered outstanding services to the Nazi party during its formative years. The award became steeped in a deliberately cultivated mystique which guaranteed the wearer special privileges wherever he went.
Don't think I've seen the eagle patch in gold/orange...Rocket Surgeon said:RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
Nazi German Jacket Not yet up to snuff to contribute here, other than a little game: What's wrong with this picture?
Rocket Surgeon said:Don't think I've seen the eagle patch in gold/orange...
Something to consider if you're going to shell out £1,495.00 for the garment. The material looks a bit thin as well. Gobler and Dietrich look like they're wearing wool in the desert!
'Tana-Montana Smiffy beat me to the punch again! There a loads of orange/yellow eagles in "Raiders".Montana Smith said:That's the Afrika Korps breast eagle, Rocket. There can be quite a variation in colour from dull tan to golden yellow.
The tunic looks much more like those worn by the other soldiers in the movie.
Yeah, I noticed this mix-up/goof, too. There also seems to be a colour mis-match between the motorcyclists' collar tabs & epaulettes.Montana Smith said:However, the motorcyclists have Heer collar tabs (and Infanterie white shoulder straps) but are wearing SS helmets with the red shield Swastika on the left side.
That's good to know, though I'm curious about it's presence with "green collar tags" as Stoo puts it.Montana Smith said:That's the Afrika Korps breast eagle, Rocket.
Rocket Surgeon said:That's good to know, though I'm curious about it's presence with "green collar tags" as Stoo puts it.
The lapel insignia may have been revised subsequent to filming (it is commonplace for costume insignia to be removed/reused/replaced during the life of a costume within the Costumiers).
Rocket Surgeon said:Seems from the shots the Afrika Korps had high "shirt" collars, (excepting the U-Boat pics...), where the item for sale and Gobler/Dietrich have coat lapels...
I think it's bogus! Are the two insignia never together?Montana Smith said:The seller explained it away...
The material looks thinner, noticeably by the fall/crease of the lapel, (vs the fellow on the left).Montana Smith said:I think it looks similar to the one with the soldiers holding Marion. The tunic for sale is a big size, and it's probably swamping the dummy?
Rocket Surgeon said:I think it's bogus! Are the two insignia never together?
The Gold Eagle/Green Bars?
Is the green significant?Montana Smith said:The green of the collar patch is the backing cloth. The arm of service is shown by the white piping in the centre of the grey cotton bars. Being plain cotton these bars indicate a rank of enlisted man or NCO (Soldat to Feldwebel). The white piping could be for Infantry, Motorcycle units, Machine-Gun battalions, Army Recruiting personnel, General command, Army anti-aircraft units, War College, and other affiliations.
Rocket Surgeon said:Is the green significant?
Since the orange border of the eagle vs the black has some meaning, I was wondering if the green did as well...Montana Smith said:I think it relates to the patches worn on the dress uniform. The service uniform generally used a dark bluish green backing.
Since this prop uniform isn't dress uniform it looks odd.
Wow I was completely unaware of that. Thanks!Montana Smith said:I just discovered something that I've been looking a long time for...
In this picture you can just see a red ribbon over Vogel's right breast pocket.
It would be the same as on this uniform:
It's the ribbon for the Blutorden, or Blood Order medal, and makes Vogel's position even more impressive.
In his book, Himmler?s Black Order: A History of the SS 1923-1945 (1997), Robin Lumsden writes:
The award was authorized by Hitler during March 1934. Hitler later amended the awarding regulation to include 30 May 1938 in recognition of special merit in the battle to unify Austria with Germany.
The inscription at the top edge of the reverse of the medal reads: ?UND IHR HABT DOCH GESIEGT? (?And We Have Won After All?)
Here's a photo of the award being worn with the medal by SS-Oberführer Emil Maurice:
* Maurice was a bodyguard/driver of Hitler from the old days. He is credited with the suggestion for setting up a dedicated bodyguard for Hitler's protection, the organisation that ultimately became the SS.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german_le...iv_Bild_146-1980-073-19A_2C_Emil_Maurice.html
Von Stalhein said:Wow I was completely unaware of that. Thanks!
Anachronisms: Captain Katanga's hat bears the insignia of the navy of the Yugoslav People's Army, which existed from 1945 until 1991. The emblem with red star is quite visible.
Nice, Montana. That's a tough one! Apart from the leaf details, it's almost identical.Montana Smith said:Captain Katanga's Communist naval cap...
The wreath on Katanga's cap has three distinct branches on each side, whereas the YPA image shows four.