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View Poll Results: Rey is the progeny of...
Luke & (Mara?) 5 41.67%
Obi Wan & (Satine?) 5 41.67%
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Old 12-24-2017, 04:40 PM   #51
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Spoiler!

Haven't seen it, but it sounds like Luke went out like Kirk in 1994, and neither actor is happy about it. Shatner summoned the power of a ghostwriter to resurrect his character, so who knows. Here's a prediction for 2018: Rian Johnson submits his outline for a new trilogy to Lucasfilm, then waits by the phone, and waits and waits. An epic rant from Scriptshadow:
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How did a Star Wars movie this bad escape Disney’s notoriously intense evaluation process? I have a theory about this. Bob Iger has been VERY PUBLIC about how much he likes this film. I have a feeling that from the beginning, from the second he read the script, he loved it. And what that did is it relieved anyone under him of blame. For the first time, Kathleen Kennedy didn’t have to micro-manage the production because it didn’t matter how the film turned out. If it’s bad, you blame Bob Iger. So she relaxed, let Rian do whatever he wanted, and created a work hierarchy reminiscent of George Lucas on the prequels, where everyone nodded and said, “Great idea!” I predict that this movie sinks fast once word of how bad it is gets out. And that in 3 months, we’ll hear that Rian’s new trilogy has been canceled. I mean, honestly, how could you endorse any new Johnson Star Wars movie after this one? The guy only had to introduce 3 new characters in The Last Jedi. THREE! And all of them were terrible. You’re now going to allow him to create hundreds of new Star Wars characters? Johnson also managed to do something that, before this film, you’d think was impossible. He destroyed the memory of the most beloved movie hero of all time. Mark Hamill tried to warn him. “I fundamentally disagree with everything you’ve done with this character” he famously told Johnson when he read his script. It turns out Hamill was the only one who stood up to Johnson.
Merry Christmas JJ Abrams. "I suppose you must have the whole day. Be here all the earlier next morning."
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Old 12-25-2017, 10:22 PM   #52
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Wow. Thanks for posting -- I don't think I would have read that otherwise (though, I don't know if I would call that a 'rant'). After reading the Scriptshadow analysis, all of the garbage in the Last Jedi now makes sense.

I have long thought Disney was too deferential to JJ Abrams with some of his ideas in the Force Awakens -- and the Scriptshadow analysis provides a very plausible explanation of the Last Jedi as a reaction to a defective product (TFA) by a lesser talent -- with the upshot that the trilogy is now totally f*'d -- and further afield. As I've said elsewhere, it's a red hot mess.

I especially agree with the observation about Rian being 0-3 in new character development. There is a certain George (Phantom Menace phase) Lucas hatred for the source material that can't be denied.
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Old 12-26-2017, 11:31 AM   #53
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Haven't seen it, but it sounds like Luke went out like Kirk in 1994

With all due respect, maybe you should see it, because Luke's merging with the Force (it isn't even entirely clear it's a death, per se, and it's obvious he'll be back in the next one) is nothing at all like Kirk' s death in Generations, which was much cheaper and out of the blue. Luke's was built up to through the entire film and was a cathartic moment that felt very earned. Frankly, I think it was one of the best handled main character deaths I've seen in a movie in a while, and for me it sat way better than Han's death in Force Awakens.

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Old 01-10-2018, 12:42 PM   #54
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With all due respect, maybe you should see it
I have, despite having known everything going in, and it's great. I thought it would be the work of another rogue director who unlike the others made it past the firing point. The story group is still in charge. Whatever JJ Abrams does next is unknown, but will surely make a satisfying trilogy.

Loved the mirror effect from Black Swan. And the Rashomon inspired flashbacks, used only as necessary. Billie Lourd was in this a lot, and might as well fill the story gap Carrie Fisher left behind.
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... and might as well fill the story gap Carrie Fisher left behind.

Like she had a choice,
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Old 01-16-2018, 06:53 PM   #56
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:40 AM   #57
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Good God! Remember how awesome it was when movies were actually designed to tell complete stories on their own and not be launch pads for endless interconnected tie-in merch bull****? Ugh.
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Old 01-17-2018, 05:55 PM   #58
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It falls behind New Hope and Empire as my 3rd favorite and is growing. And yes, I saw the Original in theaters in 77, so I'm outside the targeted audiences.
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It falls behind New Hope and Empire as my 3rd favorite and is growing. And yes, I saw the Original in theaters in 77, so I'm outside the targeted audiences.
F-me... The Horse has spoken.

I was going to give this one a miss, but now I'm going to have to watch it based on this recommendation alone.
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Old 01-18-2018, 02:22 PM   #60
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F-me... The Horse has spoken.

I was going to give this one a miss, but now I'm going to have to watch it based on this recommendation alone.

I saw it three times, before diving in to it's nuances. Like every art, there is some flaws, but what I did appreciate, is the careful attention to small details easily missed by an audience that wants to be pandered to. It's like a visual representation of Frost's The Road Not Taken.

I get what the Lucasfilm story-team and Rian are doing, and for that, I love it.

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I especially agree with the observation about Rian being 0-3 in new character development. There is a certain George (Phantom Menace phase) Lucas hatred for the source material that can't be denied.

Yes, this is the weakest part of this film. And while characters dominated the IV-VI, story arc is the leading reason to re-look at the material as a whole. It's unfortunate that source material isn't more recognizable, but to that end, it's refreshing too.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:40 PM   #61
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It's like a visual representation of Frost's The Road Not Taken.
Every generation interprets this poem differently, and many overlook that the road "less traveled" is "really about the same." The point is to make a choice. In most every case Rian chose the more dramatic path. Killing characters is a bummer but life is cheap in this galaxy, and "war" is in every title.

It's very busy, but so were the serials which inspired it.
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Old 01-19-2018, 06:08 AM   #62
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It falls behind New Hope and Empire as my 3rd favorite and is growing. And yes, I saw the Original in theaters in 77, so I'm outside the targeted audiences.

My interest in Star Wars is more recent - I only saw the prequel trilogy a few years back - but this is where I am right now too. And on a visual level maybe only the original is as compelling.
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And on a visual level maybe only the original is as compelling.

Are we talking about the impact of the special effects (for the time) or the cinematography itself? If cinematography, I think there's a very strong case to be made that Empire is the best looking of all of the films in terms of pure shot composition, color palette, and lighting. For me, every single shot of Empire seems iconic in a way that is never quite as consistent in any of the other films. A New Hope does have some all time classic shots, but it's also got some more stale sections in it (most of the Death Star interior scenes, save for a handful like the tractor beam deactivation and the light-saber battle.) It think Empire is a lot more consistently gorgeous throughout.
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