Indy 4 Lovers Thread

Raiders90

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Montana Smith said:
So, what was the turning point for you?

Repeated views and a growing feeling that I didn't have to love the film because it had Indiana Jones in the name. At the time I made this thread, I was 17 and I loved everything with the IJ name on it and we had a lot of very crazy characters here who had hated the film before it even came out. So I figured my own doubts were wrong and I was just giving into what was popular around here and defended it. Sort of like I put blinders on because it was a new Indiana Jones film! But as time's gone by and I've gotten older, I still love Indiana Jones but I can see the film's flaws clearly, there is no brand love or loyalty or sense that I need to defend it blinding me.

I don't truly hate, or truly love the film. It's not the worst film ever to me. I don't feel this movie "raped my childhood" despite Indy being a big part of my childhood; It's not non-canon to me. It's just an utter disappointment in many ways which I feel very ambivalent over, sometimes hating it a lot, other times really just enjoying it the way I would one of The Mummy films: as A mindless, fun adventure film. I have a lot of bittersweet mixed emotions regarding this one.
 

Montana Smith

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Raiders112390 said:
Repeated views and a growing feeling that I didn't have to love the film because it had Indiana Jones in the name. At the time I made this thread, I was 17 and I loved everything with the IJ name on it and we had a lot of very crazy characters here who had hated the film before it even came out. So I figured my own doubts were wrong and I was just giving into what was popular around here and defended it. Sort of like I put blinders on because it was a new Indiana Jones film! But as time's gone by and I've gotten older, I still love Indiana Jones but I can see the film's flaws clearly, there is no brand love or loyalty or sense that I need to defend it blinding me.

I don't truly hate, or truly love the film. It's not the worst film ever to me. I don't feel this movie "raped my childhood" despite Indy being a big part of my childhood; It's not non-canon to me. It's just an utter disappointment in many ways which I feel very ambivalent over, sometimes hating it a lot, other times really just enjoying it the way I would one of The Mummy films: as A mindless, fun adventure film. I have a lot of bittersweet mixed emotions regarding this one.

There are a few members recently expressing a growing disappointment.

I found that the film didn't improve with age, but rather festered in the mind so that I feel less inclined to accept it.
 

Darth Vile

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Raiders112390 said:
It's just an utter disappointment in many ways which I feel very ambivalent over, sometimes hating it a lot, other times really just enjoying it the way I would one of The Mummy films: as A mindless, fun adventure film. I have a lot of bittersweet mixed emotions regarding this one.

Maybe you have to ask yourself which emotion/feeling is most appropriate given the subject i.e. an Indiana Jones movie... I’d like to think I’m pragmatic about it in that I just see it as a well made (in relative terms) and enjoyable/entertaining action movie… to be ranked higher or lower than its peers e.g. ranked lower than Raiders, TLC, the Star Wars movies, Casino Royale but higher than Iron Man, Sherlock Holmes, Quantom of Solace, POTC etc. etc.
 

Raiders90

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Darth Vile said:
Maybe you have to ask yourself which emotion/feeling is most appropriate given the subject i.e. an Indiana Jones movie... I?d like to think I?m pragmatic about it in that I just see it as a well made (in relative terms) and enjoyable/entertaining action movie? to be ranked higher or lower than its peers e.g. ranked lower than Raiders, TLC, the Star Wars movies, Casino Royale but higher than Iron Man, Sherlock Holmes, Quantom of Solace, POTC etc. etc.

Sherlock Holmes was better. Didn't see any of those others, but it's about on par with POTC.
 

Montana Smith

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If we're rating the film against others, then I'd say that Iron Man was much more enjoyable, and POTC much more engaging - mainly because of Johnny Depp's portrayal.
 

Darth Vile

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Raiders112390 said:
Sherlock Holmes was better. Didn't see any of those others, but it's about on par with POTC.

Montana Smith said:
If we're rating the film against others, then I'd say that Iron Man was much more enjoyable, and POTC much more engaging - mainly because of Johnny Depp's portrayal.

Whatever you're poison is... Sherlock Holmes? Not my cup of tea. I think the BBC series is infinitely better than the 2 movies (but I would say that). Iron Man 1 was pretty average and Iron Man 2 was an inferior sequel (IMHO). POTC - I'd put at the bottom of the list, but I'd agree that Johnny Depp is now a much more compelling leading man/actor than Harrison Ford.
 

Raiders90

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Figured this should be bumped. I'm starting to love KOTCS again My feelings heavily teeter back and forth but at the end of the day it is an Indiana Jones film, it is an incredibly fun film, it is like the other films also a great period piece. It is just perfect overall. I think the IJ series can be divided into three categories: Fun romps (KOTCS and ToD) and Deep Adventures (LC) and Classics (Raiders). KOTCS to me is a fun adventure, though, a fun, wild ride, and I was happy to see Indy still doing his thing well into the 1950s. Not every IJ film needs to be on the level of Raiders to be good. They're only adventure films, meant to arouse excitement, escapism, and play upon the imagination, and KOTCS succeeds easily in all those areas...Let the hate die, really. It's a fun, mindless film at it's worst.
 

Stoo

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Raiders112390 said:
Figured this should be bumped.
Congratulations, Raiders112390! You didn't start a new thread on the subject. Mazeltov!:hat:
Raiders112390 said:
I can see the film's flaws clearly,...
Raiders112390 said:
It is just perfect overall.
Raiders112390, you "can see the film's flaws clearly" but Indy 4 is "perfect overall"? How can Indy 4 be PERFECT if it has recognizable flaws?:confused:
Raiders112390 said:
I think the IJ series can be divided into three categories: Fun romps (KOTCS and ToD) and Deep Adventures (LC) and Classics (Raiders).
3 categories for 4 movies. That's a brilliant sign of a genius.:rolleyes:
 
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Raiders90

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Stoo said:
Congratulations, Raiders112390! You didn't start a new thread on the subject. Mazeltov!:hat:

Raiders112390, you "can see the film's flaws clearly" but Indy 4 is "perfect overall"? How can Indy 4 be PERFECT if it has recognizable flaws?:confused:
3 categories for 4 movies. That's a brilliant sign of a genius.:rolleyes:

I like how you removed the part where I said my feelings drift back and forth on the film. Convenient.

And yeah, I feel TOD and KOTCS are in the same category--Both mindlessly fun adventure films to just enjoy and stretch your sense of disbelief while watching. LC is "better", a deeper film than Raiders (due to the Father-Son dynamic and history), but is also comedic. It's not really a CLASSIC in the way Raiders is. Raiders has funny moments but is mostly serious. They're all different of course, but it's the way I chose to categorize them.
 

Darth Vile

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Funnily enough I sat down to watch KOTCS with my parents last weekend (as they were visiting and wanted to watch a family/adventure movie in the evening... and they'd not seen KOTCS). They thought it was great because it was much more "old fashioned" than the more modern action/adventure movies. At sixty somethings themselves, they really liked that the movie focused on an older character/hero.
 

Dr.Jonesy

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Everytime Indiana Jones is having a marathon on USA or what have you, I get friends texting me and stuff or posting on my Facebook that they're gonna watch them all in order. They all love every film.

I went to a friend's house and watched KOTCS with his family. They all love it.
 

Dr.Jonesy

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When everyone I know or on Youtube videos say they "can't believe all the hate it gets", maybe we should all take note that if everyone is saying that, then maybe there isn't any more hate for this film than for any other Indiana Jones film.

I honestly think and can tell that the amount of "hate" this film gets is truly not existant. Everyone I know loves every Indiana Jones film and those who I know who went to see it when it was in theaters were all happy about the film, while it was me who took convincing to go a second time by a group of buddies of mine who loved it.

I honestly think there isn't any more hate for this film than any other Indy film. It is exagerrated to make it seem like there is alot of hate for it.
 

Darth Vile

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Dr.Jonesy said:
When everyone I know or on Youtube videos say they "can't believe all the hate it gets", maybe we should all take note that if everyone is saying that, then maybe there isn't any more hate for this film than for any other Indiana Jones film.

I honestly think and can tell that the amount of "hate" this film gets is truly not existant. Everyone I know loves every Indiana Jones film and those who I know who went to see it when it was in theaters were all happy about the film, while it was me who took convincing to go a second time by a group of buddies of mine who loved it.

I honestly think there isn't any more hate for this film than any other Indy film. It is exagerrated to make it seem like there is alot of hate for it.

Actual quality aside, I think KOTCS is probably the least significant Indy movie in terms of cultural/cinematic impact... but personally speaking, I think the worst one can feel about it is indifference.
 
i loved it, the fridge nuclear jump, the beginning in the Area 51 base was really Indyish, the aliens (already seen em in the marvel comics), etc...

Just wasnt that keen on the monkeys gotta be honest :D

Regards,

LJ
 

foreverwingnut

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I've been a fan and staunch defender of KotCS and have found that far more people liked the film than the contrary. I've quoted this before with friends: the haters seem like so many because angry people have much louder voices than the greater majority who are quietly content. That's why this thread is so cathardic- it gives us of like-minds a place to agree on something without an expected debate. The thread that the haters started shows a general disagreement over which parts they didn't like it, but I find that most everyone agrees it was at least a "good movie" but not a "great movie". And while I agree that certain images might have been reconsidered or ignored altogether, I've still enjoyed it immensely and I can't imagine there will come a day when I tire of it. I've come to terms that Indy IV will most likely be the final installment, but I think it was an appropriate swan-song nonetheless. Harrison looked great; the dialogue was well written; the stunts in the hangar were some of the best ever; and the subject material was intriguing. What more can we really ask for?
 

Montana Smith

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foreverwingnut said:
I've quoted this before with friends: the haters seem like so many because angry people have much louder voices than the greater majority who are quietly content. That's why this thread is so cathardic- it gives us of like-minds a place to agree on something without an expected debate.

Voices of hate are generally louder, and more vigorous.

There's a trend where it's assumed to be 'more cool' to express hate than love: to be outside (and above?) something, than to be confined within it. Yet, I believe a lot of the overblown hate is a kneejerk reaction by those eager to be in the cooler looking club.

I've argued for a long time that you can't 'hate' a movie if there's something you like in it. I speak as I find. I know what I like and I know what I don't like. Also know that it's hard to express a firm positive attitude to something when you expect the reaction to be adverse.

I loved Sucker Punch, but I know a lot of people didn't. So I can understand the way lovers of KOTCS feel. It's the right of every individual to like whatever they want, but the internet is a constant battle for conformity. Obviously it's a battle that can't be won by any side. It's also a fight you can play with and poke fun at!

foreverwingnut said:
Harrison looked great;

Yes. Harrison was the one constant positive throughout the film. He was definitely still Indy.

foreverwingnut said:
the stunts in the hangar were some of the best ever

Up until the landing of the fridge the movie was at its best.

foreverwingnut said:
and the subject material was intriguing.

I found it intriguing that it's genesis was in the Raiders Story Conference. Of course, I have my own unpopular Indyverse theory based on that. ;)
 

Darth Vile

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Montana Smith said:
Voices of hate are generally louder, and more vigorous.

There's a trend where it's assumed to be 'more cool' to express hate than love: to be outside (and above?) something, than to be confined within it. Yet, I believe a lot of the overblown hate is a kneejerk reaction by those eager to be in the cooler looking club.

I've argued for a long time that you can't 'hate' a movie if there's something you like in it. I speak as I find. I know what I like and I know what I don't like. Also know that it's hard to express a firm positive attitude to something when you expect the reaction to be adverse.

I loved Sucker Punch, but I know a lot of people didn't. So I can understand the way lovers of KOTCS feel. It's the right of every individual to like whatever they want, but the internet is a constant battle for conformity. Obviously it's a battle that can't be won by any side. It's also a fight you can play with and poke fun at!



Yes. Harrison was the one constant positive throughout the film. He was definitely still Indy.



Up until the landing of the fridge the movie was at its best.



I found it intriguing that it's genesis was in the Raiders Story Conference. Of course, I have my own unpopular Indyverse theory based on that. ;)
Good post Montana - I agree with all you say... apart form the Sucker Punch thing. ;)
 

Marshall2288

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I think Sucker Punch as well as Indy 4 was all about your expectaions going in. I had low expectations of Sucker Punch therefore I wasn't disapointed and actually enjoyed it. I don't need to own it or even see it again any time soon but it was enjoyable. I went in to Indy 4 with expectations through the roof....eh you see where this is going.


If it weren't for that freakin fridge or the mothership takeoff I might not have the opinion of the movie I have now.
 
Its a good film but it could have been a great film like Raiders and Crusade, i think its on par with Temple. I liked the nuke fridge seen it was the same as Indy jumping out of a plane in a rubber dinghy in Temple of doom lol. the bomb cloud was a great scene. just wish they had got Sean back just for one seen and had Saller back instead of Mac. And they should have made Indy darker and with more of a edge to his character like Raiders and Tempe when he was on the rope bridge he was a insane mad man with nothing to loose.
 
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