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Old 09-05-2012, 03:19 PM   #26
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Pretty sure Indy said "Reds" at least once in KOTCS.
Where?!
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And the word "Germans" was tossed about in RAIDERS a handful of times
A few, but in reference to archaeology, communiques. Point being the negative connotation given his captors/murderers as Russians and not a single mention of Commies...or Reds, (I think).

The use of Nazis emphasised threat, certainly Commie would have played better in places like: We have to get Ox, recover the skull and to get to Akator before the Russians.

Instead they gave "Ruskie" to Marion...
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But, during the Cold War, "Russians", "Soviets" and "Communists" were used pretty interchangeably, as "Germans" and "Nazis" was during the war.
But the idea is to imply threat,(cause they sure as hell didn't show it!) and not drag an entire culture into it...

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Indy is a lot softer in KOTCS, he killed the first Cemitery Warrior.

The Cemetary "WARRIOR" was the ONLY person Indy killed in the flick...that is if the poison was on both sides of the dart, and it was lethal not just incapacitating...

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Old 09-05-2012, 09:58 PM   #27
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"After all those years we spent spying on the reds."
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:02 AM   #28
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"After all those years we spent spying on the reds."
Ah, yes...thanks.

Still, "Commies" remains the dropped ball...

Once again Indy kills a third world (as in undeveloped country) peasant graveyard ninja guardian but after his near death momemnt with a bloodthirsty psycho "Red" ( ) they left Commie on the table...

No one else sees this?
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:52 AM   #29
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Maybe Indy is just enlightened and educated enough to know that the ideology of communism is not evil and is not directly responsible for the crimes of the Soviet Union.

He did watch Lenin speak, after all.

And, really, even though KOTCS was a period piece, the word "commies" is just so silly.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:04 PM   #30
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Maybe Indy is just enlightened and educated enough to know that the ideology of communism is not evil and is not directly responsible for the crimes of the Soviet Union.

My thoughts exactly.
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:35 PM   #31
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Maybe Indy is just enlightened and educated enough to know that the ideology of communism is not evil and is not directly responsible for the crimes of the Soviet Union.

He did watch Lenin speak, after all.

And, really, even though KOTCS was a period piece, the word "commies" is just so silly.

Lance, you've got it in one!
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:33 AM   #32
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Maybe Indy is just enlightened and educated enough to know that the ideology of communism is not evil and is not directly responsible for the crimes of the Soviet Union.

He did watch Lenin speak, after all.
I guess you could say that about Socialism not being evil...but all in all it was the Communist Party that exploited the ideal, like the National Socialist Party, right?

Checks and balances being what they are, or actually were...

Or you could say Indy had become a pacifist because of his increasing irrelevance, the movie certainly supports it...

Ultimately "Russians" cuts too broad a swath...if Mac were Russian it might have made a nice moment for him to hit Indy in the arm and balk at his generalization.

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And, really, even though KOTCS was a period piece, the word "commies" is just so silly.
I can understand where you might see it that way, and the way he declares "part time" in the film I wouldn't blame you.

Though I KNOW he could pull it off in a more convincing manner.

I just know it...
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:50 AM   #33
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I think he said "Russians!" because they were speaking Russian, implying that up until then, he had no idea who had abducted him. It wouldn't make sense for him to automatically assume any Russian speaker to be a Communist. Only as the situation wore on and Indy start calling them things like "comrade" insultingly.

Even then, it isn't until Spalko appears that it becomes obvious they're Communists, but Indy's insults come after seeing the dead MP's they shot so he's understandably upset. But his exclamation of "Russians!" comes before he sees the MP corpses getting dragged past, and after two of the "American" soldiers starts yelling in Russian. He's merely exclaiming in bewilderment that they're Russians, still trying to get a handle on the situation.

Or, because not every American audience knows what the Russian language sounds like, and so Indiana is just stating the obvious for audience benefit.
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