Darth Vile said:
As far as Batman is concerned, from a personal perspective, I have some friends who are serious Batman aficionados... and they are not the biggest fans of TDK. Their criticism is that it strays too far from the original source material and is too aligned to the Frank Miller comics of the late 80's (as you rightly allude to). Not all Batman fans want something as dour as TDK it appears.
Good for them. I hate
Temple of Doom for similar reasons, but I don't speak for all Indy fans on the matter.
Darth Vile said:
I have many friends who think that the Batman (yes- including TDK) and Indiana Jones movies are fine examples of ?low brow? culture made to be consumed by the feckless masses. Are they right? Does that mean, by default, we have no taste for liking Indiana Jones and Batman movies?
People said that kind of thing about Charles Dickens, too. And he wrote for the masses and the paycheck.
I'm not saying that TDK is the best film ever or a work of art that we should all love and study. But if you say that there is no such thing as "good taste" and "bad taste," you'll have to justify the popularity of Stephanie Meyer.
Darth Vile said:
Firstly, I?m not sure how true that is. Even here, in some sections, the criticisms started way before the movie was released. I remember arguments/debates about Indy?s hat and jacket looking too clean in publicity shots? etc. etc.
What do you mean
even here? This would be the number one place to expect that kind of thing. I remember an episode of Bill Maher's talk show when he started criticizing America to three Brits and they all told him he was being to hard on his country. Friends (and by extension, fans) are the harshest critics.
Darth Vile said:
Secondly, I?d be wary of IMDB and Empire Magazine rankings.
I was using IMDB to gauge popularity. There's nothing wrong with such an application.
Darth Vile said:
Are you stating that ?taste? is an attribute only available to an intellectual few?
...
It?s a bit like asking McDonalds to poll their customers for opinions on the world?s best cuisine.
Are you saying that 'taste' is an attribute only available to an intellectual few? Is there is such a thing as good taste and bad taste?
Stoo said:
Your link is to a 2008 fluff article about that year's buzzwords.
1.) It's a TIME article about the most popular things that year.
2.) All of the other buzzwords on that list were popular... The association should be clear.
Stoo said:
Tomorrow, go stop an average man/woman or guy/girl on the street and ask him/her if they know what "nuking the fridge" is supposed to mean.
His response: "Wasn't that something that happened in that ****ing Indiana Jones movie that came out two or three years ago?"
Stoo said:
You don't need to go back a decade to find a crappy Batman film because they are all terrible.
Ah-ha! You're biased. If you don't like superhero films that's fine, but as superhero films go, TDK is pretty good. As films go, it's not on par with a lot of other dramas, but as superhero films go, it's among the best.
Stoo said:
In 2008, how many Indy fans joined BATMAN FORUMS and compared "Dark Knight" to "Skull", posted photos of themselves dressed as Spalko or Dovchenko, started Indy games, etc.?
I don't know, but you have yet to show that a single person joined this forum
just to talk about TDK. A lot of people on this board talk about religion; does that mean people
just join to talk about religion? Or does it mean that that sort of things interests Indy fans?
Stoo said:
(The "Indy around the globe" has ZERO relevance to this conversation.)
Uh-huh. Both threads are pointless.
Stoo said:
You're avoiding the point. In 2008, many termites came out of the woodwork to join The Raven in order to say that "Skull" was garbage but "Dark Knight" was the best film ever made. (Spielberg should have taken lessons from Nolan, etc.)
Find one "termite" who joined
just to do that. Just one. Refer to my previous post.
Stoo said:
FLIP-FLOP! According to you: "They're two completely different movies". Now, you're attempting to show how they are similar...
They fall into different genres. Indy's status as a "superhero" is debatable. TDK is a darker drama-action-thriller-whatever. KotCS is campy fun (or tries to be). You don't leave one film feeling the same way as you leave the other film. There are similarities between them, just like there are similarities between
Apocalypse Now and
Tropic Thunder, but they are
completely different films thematically.
Stoo said:
LOADS of people did. (Off the top of my head: Agent Spalko, The Man and a plethora of forgettable chumps.) If you want more examples, go look for yourself.
Now that's bullsh!t. The Man still posts last time I checked; Agent Spalko was banned for some unknown reason. And
neither of them joined
just to talk about The Dark Knight. They joined to talk about Indy, like everyone else.
Also, ResidentAlien was a Ravener for years and he was also one of KotCS's harshest critics (like you and your batmuffins).
Stoo said:
It's about as asinine as a movie where a guy's voice changes the minute he dresses up like a bat.
Your voice changes when you get on the phone with your mom, probably. People change their voices all the time depending on the social situation. Changing his voice is a part of how Wayne hides his identity in the Nolan films...
Stoo said:
D'uh! You basically repeated what I wrote.
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Stoo said:
I'd like to retract this statement because WillKill did not repeat what I wrote. Sorry, Will.
Yes, you misread what I was saying (I should have used 'or' instead of 'and').
There are a lot of TDK fans.
There are a lot of KotCS detractors.
There are fewer KotCS fans.
There are fewer TDK detractors.
How's that?
So
of course there will be more overlap over the first two because there are more people who fit into those categories.